Hi All, I'm trying to understand "media white point" as pertains to a digital camera matrix profile. How far off is what I've stated below? All statements are relative to V111 or to versions before 110 in which the -u switch did work with a matrix profile. 1) "colprof -aG (or "-am") -u ti3file" creates a profile with the media white point set to be the same as the illuminant. 2) "colprof -aG (or "-am") ti3file" creates a profile with the media white point determined by the nominally brightest patch on the target, which for a Wolf it8 target is probably GS00. 3) For a printer profile, the brightest patch should be "paper white" and truly reflects the media (paper) white point, that is, the color of the paper. 4) For a monitor profile, the brightest patch should be RGB_R=RGB_G=RGB_B=100.00 (taken from a monitor .ti3 file created for profiling my LCD monitor in its native state). This is the whitest patch the monitor can display, the color (media white point) of which will depend on whether one is profiling a monitor calibrated to D65 or some other target white, or whether one is profiling the native behavior of the monitor. 5) For a camera? This is where I don't understand the logic of using the nominally brightest (but not necessarily truly neutral a=b=0) patch on the target to calculate the media white point. What or where is the "media" whose white point is being calculated? The color of the light itself seems the logical choice, but the far from neutral GS00 patch on my Wolf it8 target doesn't seem like a good choice of patches for measuring the color of the light. The much more neutral GS06 patch would seem a better choice. Or even better, if there was a way to get ti3 values from a spectrally neutral white balance card. Similar questions pertain to media black point. Any light cast (no pun intended) on this puzzling topic is greatly appreciated. Elle