Thanks Alan, I'm profiling a Epson 1400 with InkjetFly dye inks. I was surprised how close the Colormunki profiles using 784 patches were to the DTP20 using 2284. The differences were subtle. Side by side, I would be hard pressed to say I preferred one over the other. If anything, I think the Colormunki profile compressed the dark end of the profile a bit. The DTP20 profile seemed to produce a more linear gradient with more details in shadow areas. Regards - Phil Reed Phil's Appliance Science 49 Francis St N Kitchener ON N2H 5B4 Canada http://www.mixerfixer.com <http://www.mixerfixer.com/> 519-747-7220 _____ From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Goldhammer Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:21 PM To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] Re: "Magic Numbers" or Number of Patches in Targen I get good profiles using my i1 pro and four letter sized sheets (1848 patches including a 21 step gray scale). I used to have a ColorMunki when I was first experimenting with Argyll and did a couple of profiles with 1568 patches (8 pages) that also seemed quite good. I suspect for RGB printers this is the ball park that you should be looking at (I have an Epson 3880). Alan From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Philip Reed Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:29 PM To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] "Magic Numbers" or Number of Patches in Targen To anyone, Just wondering about the "magic numbers" suggested for utilizing targen. For a 4 page set of targets there is such a wide variation in the number of patches depending on the device. A SpectroScan will have over five and a half times as many patches as the Colormunki with the -h switch. Quality differences between these devices not withstanding, will the Colormunki profile be substantially inferior? Would I have to print 22 pages of patches to approximate the quality of the Spectroscan? I realize the magic numbers are a compromise between quality and paper usage.would just like someone's opinion on this as I have a Colormunki Photo and a DTP20 (Pulse). Regards - Phil Reed