Ron- sounds like you suggest to 'hand stitch' the letters like I mentioned? Time consuming but would work-IF I can get a setup charge out of them. Debating on just quoting them from one of my ad specialty suppliers-current 'sale' is $2.49 per hat, 8,000 stitches, minimum 100....($2.49 on a 'C' discount-can't even buy the HAT for $1.50 blank!) and let THAT company squirm over the digitizing! Fortunately the meridian lines are only over the bottom half of the state logo-letters go over the top half. No problem there...except this is the state of New Hampshire-so the ENTIRE state is dead center over the center seam of a 6 panel hat...not my better sewing results on those darn seams! Roland > if you are sewing a fill stitch and sewing small letters over it > try using hand laid straight stitches, > each part of the letter is just a jump stitch out and back > and you can add MT because it is set up as a different color > (or it should be). We haven't played with the 65/9 needle combo and the > thinner thread combo yet but I am told it can be very effective also. > I would slow the machine down also on the small type, as it seems to > sew cleaner for us that way. > > on the meridian lines, I would try and use a running stitch > instead of a satin so that you can sew the lettering over the top > and get a cleaner outcome. Of course the customer will be > the one to dictate how much change and adjustment > will be allowed, but give 2 prices on set up and sewing. > One for easy and less complicated and one for difficult and > detailed. A lot of the times the prices makes their decision > for them before you have to admit that doing such a logo > would tax your abilities as an embroiderer. > And if they do accept the higher price, then at least you > get compensated better for the harder sew and more > frequent stress and headaches. > > My 2 cents. > > Ron Vinyard > Body Cover / Magic Stitches > 1-888-435-0176 > 541-471-1504 > fax 471-0427 > > 420 SW H street > Grants Pass, OR 97526 > > info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.bodycoverdesign.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland R. Irish III" <signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:59 PM > Subject: [amayausers] Re: hat logo minimum lettering? > > >> Have a customer on the way here (long after hours but hey, have to do it >> sometimes) and he wants his group logo on a hat. At 1.69 " high, the type >> 'around the circle' is .11 (1/8" high) . Logo is a .18 wide 'circle' with >> lettering inside that , 42 letters. Inside the whole circle is the state >> outline with the 'globe meridian lines' on it, and then 5 letters .23 high, >> 3 letters .125 high. I"m thinking this is way too small to even attempt on >> anything, let along a hat? >> My thought would be to suggest the state outline with lines, the 8 letters >> over that (initials of the group) and a circle around it-then the full name >> (42 letters) in a straight line under it. >> Anyone had any success in lettering this small or should I use 'plan b' and >> tell them it can't go that way? >> Roland >> > >