Did you check Sanmar and Alpha, both have had them-can't find my catalog handy or I'd look... and I know I had gotten some samples one time to test or something. Roland =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================