This message was posted by TinaK on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/457.html#000001 I am sure it depends on the hat but I usually do hats anywhere from a 1/4 to 1/2" up from the bill. I think in training they say to measure up 1/4" from the bill. Good Luck! =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================