The last time we tried group names-the program was screwing up and getting the stitching tighter and tighter-by 5 names it was impossible. Problem was in the program 'adding up' the stitches and running a cumulative total and adjusting for what it thought was tight stitch....THEN the group names wouldn't 'stop' between names, would go right on to the next one...we only had ONE group name job work right-we only did 4 names at a time out of 140, and then would go and start over with the next group. When it worked, it would stop at the end and not repeat. When it didn't work-you had no idea what it would do. Even though we got the upgrade last fall that was supposed to fix it, we didn't have the time to test it out-it could potentially mean ruining a job. Most of our jobs that need 'group names' had the names as part of a logo design-not just on one side of the shirt alone-so to test it meant running 20-30,000 stitches for EACH to test it-a very time consuming and expensive test. Once we get this 2005 upgrade installed, we're going to have to bite the bullet and run it through a test-and see if it works. Roland