This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/788.html#000005 Yup, still the original big red...and 4 of the CCF frames and we hung on to one of the WACF in case it was ever needed...hasn't been out of the box in 3 years! Never did like it.... so the 'frame' is the reason we can't get as close? That explains why you-all claim how close you can get...those of us with the dinosaur models have to suffer....LOL We do notice a big difference in how Sue hoops a hat compared to me...She is shorter and doesn't have the height to look straight down at the center seam-so her hats are always 'off' to one side a 1/4" or so. So if you have different people hooping-it may explain why some of them are 'off center'. As Rod says, if you hoop consistently you should only have to worry about the 'center' jogging. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================