Thanks for all of your help! I have been using the "set up" charge idea since I started. Learned that from a seminar I attended. They just really wanted some direction as to what exactly needed to be written in a policy as they want to write one and distribute to all employees. Thanks again! Darlene "Roland R. Irish III" <signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: You can check the gov't website for the actual 'copyright' law. There is no real 'copyright policy'-the 'law' boils down to -whoever created the logo owns it, and the rights to 'all reproduction' of that logo. AND there is NO LONGER any '10% change and its a new logo' loophole. ANY use of ANY part of a copyright logo is a violation of the law. Except for 'parody' use-you cannot use any logo in any way, shape or form for any reason without permission of the copyright holder. And, guess what...if YOU design a logo for a client, and don't transfer the ownership of that logo in writing to them-YOU still OWN that logo. Many companies don't realize this...some do, and they 'buy the rights' to use that logo for 'certain products' and have to go back to the 'copyright owner' to get permission for anything else! So if you develop a logo for a client for polo shirts and hats...and only charge him for those products and not a fee to develop the logo and sell that logo to him...then if he uses YOUR logo for business cards, signs, banners...YOU have the right to sue him for violation of copyright laws. Make sense? Because he does not have an 'invoice' to 'buy' his logo after you developed it, he can't use it without your permission. Now, if you did sell him the logo-he can take that logo 'image' anywhere he wants to get the next job done. You need to have a clause in your embroidery contract (if) you charge him for digitizing-that it is a 'setup' fee and that YOUR business owns the actual computer 'files' as 'proprietary files' for your embroidery system. All such files remain your property and cannot be transfered to any other company. (otherwise...your customer can DEMAND you turn over your .ofm files and go to another shop for future orders! Has happened with screenprinting shops that had a fee for 'screen' or 'screencharge'. In court-that was determined to mean the customer BOUGHT THE SCREEN and could demand it! So now you see only 'setup charge', not screencharge). I have used this method successfully when clients thought they could just come and pick up 'their screens', or in one case, a Tree Service Company got a cheaper price to letter his trucks after I did all the work and one truck. He demanded that I turn over the 'plotter files' to give this other company because THEY told him he owned them and would not have to pay them to digitize his files! I showed him his invoices...all 'computer files' remain my property. He could have his 'original printed logo' back (which he had recieved a year before) but he could not get 'my' files to take somewhere else. Same with embroidery. So now you have a club or business with a nice logo...they need to put the 'c' in a circle on it, with a date...and from that day on they 'own' the copyright. Nothing to file with the government. I tell them to mail themselves copies of this logo, signed and dated, by registered mail-and don't open it! Just put it in the safe. Now they have a copy of their logo, with the copyright symbol, and it is in a government sealed and datestamped envelope! So what they want to do is make up a document specifying the logo, how it is to be used, what the official colors are, if there are any restrictions to using it, etc. and if there are 'franchises' that will use it-do they have the right to use it locally for any purpose or if they have to go through the main office each time. Then, if this is what you are setting up with them, they can specify that 'all embroidery, embellished clothing, totes, whatever' must (or just 'can') be ordered through ABC Embroidery Co. Or it could be ' this copyrighted logo is licensed for use to embellish wearables, totes, etc. (or just 'anything embroidered) exclusively to ABC Embroidery Co. and all orders for such items must be sent to ABC Embroidery Co. Now I'm not a lawyer, but this is plain english....and if the company is big enough to worry about the wrong use of their logo, they may want to run this all by a lawyer to protect everyone. Does this help? Roland =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list =========================================================== --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. 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