Roland, I believe you may have misunderstood the question regarding "3D foam hats". I believe the question was how to stitch 3-D puffy foam designs on regular caps...as opposed to stitching on caps made out of foam. There's a big difference there. I agree that stitching on foam caps is out of the question...almost no one I know likes to do it. If I have a customer that wants stitched foam caps, I have a cap manufacturer make them for me! At least I *think* this is what the topic is about.... :-) Cheers, - Jim -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roland R. Irish III Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:01 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: 3d foam hats? I was told when we got the Amaya and went to training that sewing on foam hats was a no-no...and figured-what the heck, lets' try it! Can't be much different than sewing foam under a design! Here's what happens-because there is no structure and its about 1/8" thick-the threads will make that foam pucker up so much it looks like shrink wrap under a blow dryer! I finally got a fairly decent image but I think the 'material density' was around 20 or so-you have to do everything to let the thread stay loose so it doesn't try to tighten up and pull the foam together. Next up-we'll try and see how much cardboard would work to stiffen it-but then you have lost the 'feel' of a foam hat-by creating a structure in the front panel. I'm sitting on almost a thousand foam hats I wanted to use up-most suppliers have dropped them since everyone switched to embroidery and not decaling-but the price on canvas hats compared to foam is so close now it doens't make $$ sense to waste time on foam anymore... If you want 'cheap' hats-Ottocap has ongoing 'auctions' of case lots of assorted hats-I bought over $700 (5 cases) and paid an average of $1.09 or so for them-and got plenty of hats for the 'cheap sale' for low budget clients. Roland