HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE SO SMART? LUV MARYAt 08:18 PM 4/11/2004, you wrote: >Hi Mary, >I'm fine, how are you doin? The G.A.I.N. stands for The Genetic Alpaca >Improvement Network. It's going to be another six weeks or so before we >are ready to go full swing. The website is under construction now, but >you can get a brief idea by going to www.alpacagenetics.com . I am >attaching a file that has some of the content that I have been working >on for the website. No one else has seen it yet except the person >working on my website. Please don't pass it on. It is a rough draft and >may be changed entirely before the web gets published but at least it >will give you some idea of where we are going. It is essentially a spin >off of what I am doing to develop a company to scientifically accelerate >the genetic gain we want in alpaca breeding. Since I was developing >this to use for our own breeding program, which is what I have been >wanting to talk to you about but haven't had the chance yet, I thought I >could make the same technology available to a network of other breeders >who want to develop a more scientific breeding program as well. >Hopefully the info about the G.A.I.N. will come together in a semi-final >form by the National AOBA Conference in Louisville. > >Cheers, > >Wayne > > >***************************************************** >Dr. and Mrs. Wayne C. Jarvis > >Everyone talks about genetic improvement, at Sixth Day Farm we're DOING >IT. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: alpaca_fibre-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:alpaca_fibre-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Forte >Goodman >Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:34 PM >To: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [alpaca_fibre] Re: Sire Reference Program > >What's the G.A.I.N.? ps. hi, how are you doin'? mary >At 09:26 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: > >Hi Ian, > > > >I am getting ready to do biopsies at our shearing day in May. I have > >everything I need to take the samples. I was going to send them to the > >histology lab at OSU for slides to be made and then read them myself, > >but would prefer to send them to a lab in the US that already > >understands reading them for S/P ratio and density. Tell me about the > >processing you have available: how and where to send the samples, cost, > >and exactly how and what they will report. Thanks! > > > >Also, The G.A.I.N. will be up and running by June. Any of your list > >members who want to send in all of this phenotypic data that they are > >collecting for the sire reference site can submit the data for their > >sires, and or their hembras as well, and get computer generated reports > >of EPDs for all of the important traits that they want to select for >and > >make genetic predictions about the offspring for. Any who don't know > >about what EPDs are and their value for accelerating genetic gain in > >their herds can read the chapters on genetics in your upcoming > >International Alpaca Handbook, or the articles I wrote for Alpacas > >Magazine in 2002 and 2003, or the article on EPDs on Mike Safley's > >website excerpted from his book, or they can come to my lectures at the > >AOBA National Conference in Louisville. > > > >Wayne > > > >P.S. Don't tell me the handbook is really being printed ALREADY! > > > >***************************************************** > >Dr. and Mrs. Wayne C. Jarvis "In the beginning, God > >created.... " > > Genesis > >1:1 > > > >home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.sixthdayfarm.com > > > >Everyone talks about genetic improvement, at Sixth Day Farm we're DOING > >IT. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: alpaca_fibre-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >[mailto:alpaca_fibre-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Watt > >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:03 PM > >To: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [alpaca_fibre] Sire Reference Program > > > >I am delighted to announce that I have found a laboratory to undertake > >the follicle and density counts for alpacas both here and in Australia. > >I have also secured a website to be called alpacasiresUSA.com which > >will be the home of the new sire listing I wrote to you all about > >several months ago. > >I have extended the original concept to now include some phenotype > >features that may help disclose the underlying genotype of sires of the > >future. I am awaiting a response from Elizabeth Paul and will, in all > >probability, include details of gum, toenail, point and eyelid colour > >in the sire disclosure list. I would be very interested if anyone has > >any comments about this aspect of the project. > >I am pasting the new program guidelines into this email for you to > >peruse and consider. If you have any comments, I would greatly > >appreciate you airing them on this site so we can all share the > >thoughts. > >Incidentally, another 20 odd breeders have joined the list as they > >attended a workshop in California several weeks ago. New workshops are > >planned for Maine, Colorado and Virginia later this year. > >And the International Alpaca Handbook is finally off the presses and at > >the bindery awaiting binding!! > >Cheers, > >Ian Watt > > > >ALPACA SIRE REFERENCE PROGRAM > > > >Preamble > >Selection of sires is possibly the single most important breeding > >decision any owner makes in striving for excellence in their alpaca > >business. > >The impact of a sire across a herd is more significant than any other > >single breeding decision. > >The American alpaca industry uses more sires across its national herd > >than is probably necessary. Supporters of a wide gene pool for the > >industry would dispute this, but, from a production perspective, it is > >hard to argue an alternative point of view. > >The lack of a breed standard (for the industry) allows the broadest > >possible interpretation on what comprises an acceptable conformation. A > >show standard goes beyond what is, or could reasonably be expected of, > >an animal primarily devoted to fibre production ie the show standard > >aims at a much higher level of conformation correctness than is usually > >reflected in a fibre production breeding emphasis. > >Breeders who aim for fibre excellence in their alpacas often lack the > >tools with which to make informed and productive genetic selections. > >Too often males are offered for service that have little or no > >supportive objective data that provide objectively obtained information > >for the female owner and breeder. This information may not be important > >to many breeders (at the moment) but will become increasingly important > >as the rate of genetic improvement becomes harder and harder to > >achieve. This is reflected most dramatically when the phenotype > >differences between animals being considered for joining are not > >immediately or apparently obvious. > >Breeders seeking superior fibre characteristics and production will be > >looking for more than show results and perceived quality than is > >currently the industry standard in the United States. > >Breeders aiming to sit inside the top 20% or better of the national > >herd (any national herd) will seek more and more objectively measured > >information to aid their individual selection processes. > >Professionally oriented breeders will adopt a much more challenging > >approach to the selection of sires and this will also apply to the > >introduction of new female genetics into the individual herd as well. > >This program is designed to not only apply objective assessment data to > >both male and female selection criteria but to also show a way for > >progressive breeders to position themselves for the future in terms of > >breeding and selling advanced fibre genetics. > >The following criteria suggestions are aimed at sire selections but can > >apply equally to female selection protocols as well. > >This program is about placing fibre as a higher priority than > >conformation by objective measurement and the underpinning of > >conformation correctness through strict adherence to a standard. > > > >The Program > > > >Because the influence of any sire is far greater across the national > >herd than any individual female, it is important that sires be > >rigorously examined for possible genetic conformational weaknesses. It > >is important that these traits be identified as health and welfare > >issues rather than cosmetic or environmental differences or effects. > >There is currently no industry conformation standard in place to > >measure sires (or females for that matter) against, nor is there any > >prospect of being one in the foreseeable future. > >The use of objectively collected and measured fleece data is not widely > >used in the promotion of sires. > >It is doubtful whether many breeders physically examine sires unless > >they see them at a show or live close by. Many breeders send females > >for mating to sight unseen sires and presumably rely upon a show result > >as a tick of conformational approval. This is not necessarily a sound > >breeding practice. > > > >First requirement. > >Each sire will be required to pass a physical conformational > >examination as described on a pro-forma established for such a purpose. > >This examination is identical to that adopted by the Australian Alpaca > >Association (AAA) for registration of males as sires approved for > >progeny registration into the International Alpaca Register, owned and > >operated by the AAA. Under the AAA scheme, any male used to sire cria > >able to be registered must pass this test before the sire is used to > >get a female pregnant. > >Each component of the standard must be passed for the male to be > >considered satisfactory - there are no trade-offs, an animal must pass > >every requirement. > >There is no fleece component. > >The examination must be done by a veterinarian so that potentrial > >customers can be assured that the certification has been done by an > >independent and qualified person. > >Second requirement. > >Each sire will be required to be fleece tested using the OFDA2000 > >testing technology. A fleece sample from each mid-side will be required > >and the average of the two tests used as the final figure. > >The sample will be collected by an independent person, divided in half > >with one sample forwarded by the sampler to the program coordinator and > >the other half retained by the owner under seal. > >The information required by the program will include micron, standard > >deviation, coefficient of variation, comfort factor, staple length, > >colour and average fibre profile. > > > > > > > > > > > >Third requirement. > >The fleece will be weighed at shearing by an independent person who > >will record total fleece weight and saddle. The male will be required > >to be shorn from the ears down the neck, the body and legs down to the > >knee, excluding the tail. > >The weight will be recorded and affirmed by the owner. > >The shorn fleece will be raised to a height of eighteen inches from a > >table top and dropped. This will be done three times and the weight of > >the fleece recorded. This procedure will remove a considerable part of > >any dust in the fleece. > > > > > >Fourth requirement. > >Breeders of coloured alpacas are becoming increasingly aware of the > >phenotype expression of the genetics underlying what they see in the > >flesh. There is an increasing sophistication being exhibited by > >coloured breeders especially since the publication of Elizabeth Paul's > >"The Alpaca Colour Key". In order to meet this demand and to foster > >itys growth, each male will have any identifying colour spots disclosed > >as well as eye colour, eyelid colour, points colour, toenail colour and > >gum colour. These potential genetic colour identifiers will be > >important to discerning colour breeders of the future. > > > > > >Additional option. > >This option will allow owners of sires to have their sire tested for > >primary:secondary follicle count as well as a density count. Owners > >will be provided with a kit comprising all the materials and equipment > >needed to undertake the test and a comprehensive set of instructions > >which will allow a competent person to do the collection without the > >need for a veterinarian. It is suggested however that the vet could do > >the biopsy at the time of the physical examination. This is a one-off > >procedure and is offered for those breeders who might want to identify > >their top females within the herd. > > > >The information derived from the processing of the four requirements > >will paint a composite picture of any sire using objectively collected > >data. This data can then be used to make some initial assessments of > >the sire, allow comparisons between sires and lets sires be assessed on > >performance rather than subjective assessment reinforced by emotive > >promotion. > >The exercising of the additional option adds a far deeper dimension to > >the selection process and strikes a very new line of breeder disclosure > >to potential customers for sire services. This is very much leading > >edge genetics. > > > > > >Access to data > >The data and documentation of each sire would then be collated and > >processed into a website listing within a listing of "accredited sires" > >(or some such identifier). This website would be managed and maintained > >by Alpaca Consulting Services of Australia and would be open for public > >access. > >There would be a fee structure for animals entering the program and an > >annual fee to cover the testing, collating and data processing of the > >annual shearing results. > >Once entered into the site, the animal will remain until, either it > >dies, the owner decides to withdraw or no new data has been collected > >for two seasons. > >There will be a photograph of the sire on the site. > >There will be no mention of show results. > >There will be an option to link any particular sire to the owners > >website or email address. > >There will be no service fee or other advertising on the site. > > > >Benefits > >The industry-wide benefit is access to sires demonstrating objectively > >measured fleece and conformation information collected by an > >independent person. This feature alone will place these sires at the > >forefront of breeders minds as the collection, testing and distribution > >of the information is not managed by the owner of the sire - a truly > >vested interest - but by someone with absolutely no interest in any > >animal. > >By making the data public both breeders and sire owners have a > >benchmark against which they can measure any potential sire but also a > >wider range of sires as this program allows any sire, or potential > >sire, in. > >Over time, the fleece history of the sire will become clear with those > >sires not blowing out in any measurable traits becoming more recognized > >and thus, potentially, more attractive as future herd sires. > >Owners of listed sires will no doubt be recognized as leading edge > >breeders as demonstrated through their strength of conviction in > >submitting their animals to scrutiny over the internet. > >Breeders looking for sires will, for the first time perhaps, have a > >broader range of sires from which to select as small breeders unable or > >unwilling to exhibit at shows will have a vehicle through which they > >can market and promote their animals at minimal cost and at maximum > >credibility. > >Finally, the conformation examination by a veterinarian will, for the > >first time, underpin an expanded guarantee of correctness of > >conformation by a sire owner. > >These are benefits that will not only enhance the reputation of the > >animal but also the owner in an industry which will place more and more > >emphasis on fleece production than is currently the case. > >In essence, breeders offering sires entered into the program will be > >attesting that their animals have met a documented conformation > >standard, have undergone independently collected, tested and recorded > >fleece measurements and, if selected, are prepared to disclose > >secondary to primary follicle ratios to buyers of both animals and > >service options. > > > > > > > >--- > >List Name: Alpaca Fibre Production > >ListAddress: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/alpaca_fibre/ > >List Administrator: Ian Watt (alpacaconsult@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > > > >How to Unsubscribe: send an email to alpaca_fibre-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >and put "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject line of the > >email. > > > >--- > >List Name: Alpaca Fibre Production > >ListAddress: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/alpaca_fibre/ > >List Administrator: Ian Watt (alpacaconsult@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > > > >How to Unsubscribe: send an email to alpaca_fibre-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >and put "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject line of the >email. >Mary Forte Goodman >www.marysalpaca.com > >--- >List Name: Alpaca Fibre Production >ListAddress: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/alpaca_fibre/ >List Administrator: Ian Watt (alpacaconsult@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > >How to Unsubscribe: send an email to alpaca_fibre-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >and put "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject line of the >email. > > >-- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- >-- Type: application/msword >-- File: Genetic Alpaca Improvement Network Information.doc > > >--- >List Name: Alpaca Fibre Production >ListAddress: alpaca_fibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/alpaca_fibre/ >List Administrator: Ian Watt (alpacaconsult@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > >How to Unsubscribe: send an email to alpaca_fibre-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >and put "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject line of the email. 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