To answer Damon's point about a collective voice, there exists just such as thing, of which I am a full member. It's called the UKAAF, UK Association for Accessible Formats http://www.ukaaf.org/ It's free to become a member of the User Advisory Group, and the only requirement is that you are a user of one or more accessible formats. In other words, they need and want your input. Their contact details are: Tel: 0845 60 85223 Email: enquiries@xxxxxxxxx Registered charity number: 1126966 The joining page is at http://www.ukaaf.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=74 I'll paste below the main points of it's motive: "Setting standards and promoting best practice for quality accessible information based on user needs Enabling businesses and organisations to deliver a quality service to meet the needs of people with print impairments" Might be worth getting in touch with them. Those of you from the list working with me on my project know that, sadly, certain groups claiming to be acting in VI users interest are really nothing more than mouthpieces for commercial enterprises (not talking about RNIB, by the way!). I've not seen any evidence of this from UKAAF, so well worth trying. Damon Rose wrote: > I think a collective voice would help though I'm not suggesting a big > movement or commitment, it's so much easier to do this kind of thing on > the internet. I'm not even talking about setting up an organisation or > anything like that. -- Providing support to Britain's 500 talking newspaper services http://www.talking-newspapers.co.uk/ ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq