[access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:34:47 +0100
Jackie
The guy on reception was completely unfazed. I was quite impressed.
Iain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
Iain, fantastic! I could just imagine the panic that ensued when you told
them. But I think I can beat that. Both my artificial eyes disappeared
when I removed them for my second back surgery in 1993. When I woke up and
asked for them, they were nowhere to be seen and, as it turned out, were
thrown out. I've been paranoid about having them lost ever since, so have
had them put under lock and key while I've been in theatre.
Can't help laughing at these kind of stories due to the reaction you
receive, but I can assure you I wasn't laughing when that happened to me.
Jackie
Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
Skype Name: Cairnsplace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:41 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
> I'm sure exceptions will be made. I did have my photograph taken at
> Norwich
> airport with one empty eye as I had just lost the right eye down a sink in
> the Norwich Holiday Inn. It was quite something to phone up reception at
> 5:30 AM and report that I had just lost my right eye down one of their
> plugholes. Fortunately they were able to recover it and put it in the post
> wrapped in a couple of napkins.
>
> As this message is really completely off topic for this list, I must
> immediately apologise.
>
> Iain
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:12 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
>
>
> I don't know if airports have definite procedures for people who's eyes
> cannot be scanned but they should have.
>
> I reported to this list some years back, as well as Vi-gen, that I'd
> taken part in tests locally of this new system. At that time a van was
> going round to various places to conduct these tests of the system. It
> would be clear from those tests that some people weren't going to be
> able to have their iris's recognized so it isn'nt as if the people
> installing and running these systems don't know of this problem. Maybe
> such recognition is used in combination with facial reconition so hats
> that obscure part of the face or cast shadows have to be avoided,
> amongst other things.
>
> Just think Terminal 5 and all the mayhem that should have been avoided
> there, if you want an example of a company being shown to be less than
> competant, and how long will it be before it's reported that great delay
> or turning away of a passenger on grounds that they do not meet the
> system's requirments are going to be reported.
>
> It's been pointed out too that any biometric test is bound to be less
> than perfect, i.e. if you've no hands you cannot be finger printed.
> Clearly exceptions have to be made.
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> TONY CRETNEY
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
>
>
> Agree it can't be very pleasant for airport staff to have to look at
> something like an empty eye socket in one of these pictures, if indeed
> they
> do have to see the photograph at all! It may be that the picture can be
> passed over an electronic scanner by the owner without having to have
> the
> assistance of airport staff at all! Don't know this is just a thought
> on
> reading your message.
> Tony
> Skype tonycu14
> Best wishes to all on the list
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:44 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
>
>
>>A friend of mine always wears dark glasses because she couldn't cope
> with
>>an
>> artificial eye as a child, so one of her sockets is empty. She
> applied
>> for
>> a new passport recently and, as before, had the photos taken with her
>> glasses on. The form was returned, and she was asked to have the
> photos
>> re-taken without her glasses. That must be a lovely sight for the
> airport
>> staff.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>> Of
>> Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 25 April 2008 15:37
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
>>
>> Hahahahahaha. Sorry, but I can't disguise my amusement. What with my
>> artificial eyes, and the metal in my left ankle and back, I'd give
> anyone
>> with a scanner the run-around at an airport no matter what the
> recognition
>> techniques are.
>>
>> Jackie
>>
>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Access-Uk@Freelists. Org" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:53 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] airports dong face scans
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> The following wa sin The Guardian today, 25 ~~April 2008
>>>
>>> Does anyo0ne know if this face scan system is likely to have
>>> problems for the blind.
>>> I mean wold we need to look in a certain direction, and what aboujt
> eyes
>>> what if one has no eyes?
>>>
>>> Face scans for air passengers to begin in UK this summer:
>>> Officials say automatic screening more accurate than checks by
> humans:
>>> Owen Bowcott
>>>
>>> Airline passengers are to be screened using automated facial
>>> recognition technology rather than identity checks by passport
>>> officers, in an attempt to improve security and help ease
>>> congestion at airports, the Guardian can reveal.
>>>
>>> From this summer, unmanned clearance gates will be phased in to
>>> scan passengers' faces and match the image to the record held on
>>> the computer chip in their biometric passports.
>>>
>>> Border security officials believe the machines can do a better job
>>> of screening passports and preventing identity fraud than humans.
>>> The first pilot project will be open to UK and EU citizens
>>> holding new biometric passports.
>>>
>>> But there are concerns that passengers will react badly to being
>>> rejected by an automated gate. In order to ensure that no one on
>>> a police watch list is incorrectly let through the gates, the
>>> technology will err on the side of caution and is likely to
>>> generate a small number of "false negatives" - innocent
>>> passengers rejected because the machines cannot match their
>>> appearance to the records.
>>>
>>> Those rejected may be redirected into passport queues staffed by
>>> control officers, or officers may be authorised to override
>>> automatic gates following additional checks.
>>>
>>> Ministers are eager to set up the first trials in time for the
>>> summer holiday rush, but they have not yet decided how many
>>> airports will take part in the first phase of the programme. If
>>> successful, it will be extended to all UK airports.
>>>
>>> The automated passport clearance gates will introduce the new
>>> security technology to the UK mass market for the first time and
>>> may transform the public's experience of airports.
>>>
>>> Existing biometric, fast-track travel schemes - iris and miSense -
>>> are already operating at several UK airports. However, they have
>>> been aimed at business travellers who are enrolled in advance.
>>>
>>> The rejection rate in the trials of iris recognition, which uses
>>> the unique images of the iris in each traveller's eye, is between
>>> 3% and 5%, although some of these were passengers who had not
>>> been previously enrolled in the scheme and jumped queues.
>>>
>>> Plans for the summer trials emerged at a conference in London this
>>> week which brought together the international biometrics
>>> industry, senior civil servants involved in border control, and
>>> police technology experts.
>>>
>>> At one session Gary Murphy, the head of operational design and
>>> development for the UK Border Agency, explained: "We are planning
>>> a trial of facial recognition gates to see if they deliver our
>>> requirements. We think a machine can do a better job [than manned
>>> passport inspections].
>>>
>>> "What will the public reaction be? Will they use it? We need to
>>> test and see how people react and how they deal with rejection.
>>> We hope to get the trial up and running by the summer.
>>>
>>> "There are also internal staff issues. Will they see it as a
>>> threat to their jobs or an opportunity for more interesting work?
>>> We want to divert their work to areas where their skills can best
>>> be used." Some conference participants feared that passengers
>>> would only be fast-tracked forward to the next queue or
>>> bottleneck in the UK's overcrowded airport network.
>>>
>>> The automated gates will enhance the government's progress towards
>>> establishing a comprehensive Advance Passenger Information (API)
>>> security system that will eventually enable flight details and
>>> identities of all passengers to be checked against a security
>>> watch list before they take off.
>>>
>>> At present, what is also known as Project Semaphore, the first
>>> stage in the government's e-borders programme, monitors 30m
>>> passenger movements a year through the UK. By December 2009, API
>>> will be tracking 60% of all passengers and crew movements. The
>>> Home Office aim is that by December 2010 the system will be
>>> monitoring 95% of passenger movements. Total coverage is not
>>> expected to be achieved until 2014 after similar checks have been
>>> introduced for travel on "small yachts and private flights".
>>>
>>> So far around 8m to 10m new UK bio metric passports, containing a
>>> computer chip holding the carrier's facial details, have been
>>> issued since they were introduced in 2006. The last non-biometric
>>> passports will no longer be valid after 2016.
>>>
>>> Home Office minister Liam Byrne said last night: "Britain's border
>>> security is now among the toughest in the world and tougher
>>> checks do take time, but we don't want long waits. So the UK
>>> Borders Agency will soon be testing new automatic gates for
>>> British and European Economic Area [EEA] citizens. We will test
>>> them this year and if they work put them at all key ports [and
>>> airports]."
>>>
>>> The EEA includes all EU states as well as Norway, Switzerland and
>>> Iceland.
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