Hi, Fair enough Peter. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I've taken you off moderation. Regards, Barry. List Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Peter Beasley > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:30 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind > passengers > > Sorry, I sent it to the wrong list. I meant to send it to Vi-gen > access. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:10 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind > passengers > > > > Not to mention off topic! > > > > Now c'mon. I'm totally Blind myself and this annoys me as much as > anyone > > else but this is a Access Tech list. This is also a topic that could > > quickly explode. > > > > Please no one else post on this topic. I'll allow a cut off period > up to > > 1pm tomorrow. This is to allow folks a bit of flexability. Peter > I'm > > putting you on moderation for a bit. > > > > Barry > > List Admin > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >> Behalf Of Iain Lackie > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:19 AM > >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind > >> passengers > >> > >> Judging by the dateline, Is this not rather old news? > >> > >> Iain > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Peter Beasley > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:15 AM > >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [access-uk] Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind > passengers > >> > >> > >> Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind passengers > >> Ryanair is attacked for ejecting blind passengers > >> By Martin Hickman, Consumer Affairs Correspondent > >> The Independent, Thursday, 13 October 2005 > >> Ryanair, the no-frills airline, is under fire from disability > >> campaigners for ejecting nine blind and partially sighted passengers > >> from a > >> plane just minutes before take-off. > >> The passengers, who were travelling to Italy for a walking holiday, > had > >> completed check-in procedures and were sitting on the plane at > Stansted > >> when > >> the pilot announced they would have to vacate their seats. They were > >> then > >> "marched" off and escorted back to the airport lounge. > >> Some waited six hours for another flight while others were forced to > >> sleep > >> on the airport floor overnight. One of the party was so distressed > by > >> the > >> incident - to be featured on BBC's Watchdog > >> programme next week - she abandoned her holiday. > >> "It was dreadful. You felt like a criminal. We were all devastated," > >> one of > >> the blind passengers, Beryl Barton, from Norwich, said. "Five > minutes > >> before > >> take-off the pilot asked: 'Are many of you blind?' and we said: > 'Yes, > >> one or > >> two' and he said: 'We have already got disabled people on the flight > >> and you > >> will have to get off'. They marched us through to the lounge and > this > >> lady > >> came and she said: 'Of course, you got off of your own accord' and > we > >> shouted: 'No, we haven't." > >> There was no safety justification, she insisted: "We can all walk. > >> We've all got a partially-sighted or sighted guide. We could get off > as > >> quickly as anyone else." > >> Ryanair explained it could not take the customers because it already > >> had > >> three "disabled" people on board (unconnected to the party) and it > >> stipulates no more than four "disabled" people on each flight. > >> However, the organiser of the trip, Katherine Hurst said she rang > >> Ryanair > >> eight months before she travelled to check there would be no > problems. > >> She > >> said: "The pilot said: 'How would you manage if the cabin was full > of > >> smoke' > >> but it wouldn't make any difference. They are used to not seeing." > >> Ryanair, whose chief executive is Michael O'Leary, has a > controversial > >> record on disabled people. Last year, it lost a case brought by a > >> disabled > >> man who was charged 18 for the use of a whreelchair. > >> Afterwards it said that it would have to raise ticket prices as a > >> result. > >> The Royal National Institute for the Blind has received eight > >> complaints > >> about Ryanair, an unusually high number about one company. > >> In one case, it is considering legal action. Jane Vernon, its legal > >> officer, > >> said: "I think Ryanair's whole attitude towards disabled people is > >> disgraceful. Saying on their website they are charging an extra 50p > per > >> ticket to pay for wheelchairs for disabled people is despicable." > >> Ryanair insisted its policy on disabled passengers was "clearly > >> highlighted" > >> on its website and did not know of the RNIB's cases. It said it had > >> "repeatedly apologised" to the passengers removed from the plane. > >> In-flight turbulence > >> Bob Ross took on Ryanair over being charged 18 for the use of a > >> wheelchair > >> at Stansted in March 2002. When Mr Ross, a cerebral palsy sufferer, > won > >> the > >> case , Ryanair was quick to appeal, saying a 50p surcharge on all > >> tickets > >> would be levied to cover the cost of providing wheelchairs. They > lost > >> the > >> appeal. > >> In March this year, Ryanair was fined 24,000 for misleading > customers > >> about > >> the price of flights from Stansted. > >> This year, the airline, which charges employees for uniforms, > announced > >> that > >> mobile phones must not be charged at work. > >> An advert launched just after the London bombings featured Winston > >> Churchill > >> saying: "We shall fly them to the beaches ... we shall fly them to > >> London" > >> It drew 319 complaints, but was deemed "suitably respectful" by the > >> Advertising Standards Authority. > >> From: > >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/ryanair-is- > attacked-f > >> or-ejecting-blind-passengers-510715.html > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > >> signature > >> database 5703 (20101214) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> ** and in the Subject line type > >> ** unsubscribe > >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> ** immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> ** or send a message, to > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > >> > >> > >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> ** and in the Subject line type > >> ** unsubscribe > >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> ** immediately-following link:- > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> ** or send a message, to > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 5703 (20101214) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5703 (20101214) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq