[access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
- From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:51:13 -0000
Elenor:
Believe me, sighted people can't hold pens that well either, or so I've
heard. If they get too dependant on their computers, the art of holding
pens goes out the window. *smile*
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Eleanor Burke
Sent: 11 November 2009 16:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
It is an interesting point why some of us find it difficult to hold a pen
when we can perform other tasks sighted people can perform, e.g. using the
keyboard, opening a purse, turning pages in a book etc. It must be some
sort of visual learning in holding the pen is all I can think. I did
mention cutlery but I know that I do not hold a knife and fork like a
sighted person. As a child they did try teaching me but I could not learn
that either.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hussein Patwa" <accessuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
> Hi Carl,
>
> I don't think it's the actual signing per say, more the spacial
> awareness or lack of that a blind person may have. Things like the
> size of the signature, direction, etc, that they cannot relate to the
> rest of the document as they cannot see it. I can imagine this is
> particularly difficult where the signature space is boxed, and there
> are other boxes for data close to it, such as on the standard
> application form where signature and date are side by side.
>
> There is also as some have mentioned the difficulty with handling a
> pen in confined spaces, although I have no personal experience of this
> so won't comment so as not to offend.
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Karl Proud
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:35 PM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I must be missing something here, but what is the problem with signing
>> things as a blind person? I've never thought it was a problem, just
>> ask
>> someone to put the pen on the paper and away you go...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Karl
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:48 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>>
>>
>> I will often let people sign on my behalf for example, when they come
>> to do
>> my annual gas service.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <accessuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:38 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Oh how I wish I'd thought of this when I was at University! Even my
>> mum
>> > uses one and she's not visually impaired. I used to have to sign
>> things at
>> > least 20 times a week and it was getting to be a real bother. Like
>> > Eleanor,
>> > I would accept people signing on my behalf but I would not like it.
>> It's
>> > that loss of independence for something so simple (compared to other
>> > things)
>> > and in legal terms unless it's set up properly you also have that
>> loss of
>> > control.
>> >
>> > How something so simple can make such a big difference! Oh well,
>> > something
>> > to bear in mind for the future.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >> Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:44 AM
>> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >>
>> >> I agree Peter though I did learn at the age of 10 to write mine. As
>> my
>> >> vision deteriorated so did my signature. Thing is I feel it is good
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> asked to sign rather than those days when people wanted to put an x
>> >> there
>> >> because the person could not write their name. It is this notjion
>> of
>> >> illetercy that I did not like, it wasn't an inability to write but
>> an
>> >> inability to see what one is writing. Ibrahim made a very
>> interesting
>> >> point
>> >> which I thought related to me only, the ability to hold a pen
>> >> correctly. I
>> >> was shown so many times as a child but it all felt very awkward and
>> if
>> >> I
>> >> held it like a sighted person then I would not have a hope of
>> writing
>> >> anything. Strange that, we learn to use a knife and fork in the
>> same
>> >> way as
>> >> sighted people, or do we!?
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:25 AM
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I hate signing anything. I couldn't sign at all until I went on my
>> >> second
>> >> >stay at RNIB'S Mannor House Torquay in 1989 When I was taught. My
>> >> signature
>> >> >is s different each time, and I have difficulty making it small.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:32 AM
>> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I wonder would the signature guide help in this regard. At least
>> >> someone
>> >> >>can put it n the place where the signature goes. Trouble I find
>> is
>> >> making
>> >> >>of keeping the signature small enough.
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:30 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Richard.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Fair enough, sound advice but my wife's bank is happy to allow
>> her
>> >> to
>> >> >>> use her stamp, however I'm not privy to the importance of the
>> >> documents
>> >> >>> she's allowed to sign with it as we keep our banking
>> arrangements
>> >> >>> totally separate *smile*.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> All the best and thanks again for your input.
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:23 AM
>> >> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> As a solicitor, I wouldn't advise using a stamp for important
>> >> docs.
>> >> >>>> This is
>> >> >>>> because,
>> >> >>>> 1. The risk of misuse by a third party is greater; and
>> >> >>>> 2. even if banks and so on are prepared to accept use of a
>> stamp,
>> >> they
>> >> >>>> usually require you to give an indemnity - which would make you
>> >> >>>> responsible
>> >> >>>> even if the stamp were used by a third party without your
>> consent.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I think it's slightly different at work, where I used a stamp
>> for
>> >> >>>> signing
>> >> >>>> quite a lot of stuff, but I knew that I was not likely to incur
>> >> any
>> >> >>>> liability by doing so.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Mobile: 07791-452593
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>> >> >>>> Behalf Of
>> >> >>>> Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> >> >>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 10:14
>> >> >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>>> Subject: [SPAM] [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Richard.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Why not? My wife uses hers all the time for doing important
>> >> banking
>> >> >>>> forms,
>> >> >>>> even for signing work related paperwork. Its your signature
>> after
>> >> all,
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> stamp is custom made and can easily be refilled with ink.
>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:11 AM
>> >> >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Carol, Most stationery shops do them. OK for letters, but I
>> >> shouldn't
>> >> >>>>> use them for signing important docs.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Mobile: 07791-452593
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>> >> >>>>> Behalf Of Carol Pearson
>> >> >>>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 09:56
>> >> >>>>> To: Access UK Mailing List
>> >> >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Does anyone use a stamp for their signature these days? We
>> used
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>> have one ages back ... Does anyone know where they can be
>> >> purchased?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Thanks!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >>>>> Carol
>> >> >>>>> carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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