[access-uk] Re: Political Correctness
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:12:57 -0000
Not sure which side of the political fenceDave Taylor is on in his
last post, but can I throw in a thought here, and its related to
access tech too!
I believe the US NFB is opposed to the Accessible currency campaign
that A C B is running - but aside from the long standing antippathy
between those organisations an interesting point emerges.
NFB seems to oppose accessible currency because I believe they think
that blind people should make the necessary adjustment, not the state.
Seems as American as Bluebury Pieto me, and wrong. the common sense
notion that currency should be readily and quickly identifiable by
those who cannot see seems a very good idea. Maybe the American Feds
idea is you buy the KNFB reader to do the job, or one or two other
gismos that the American Fed may or may not have a financial stake in.
Now, there's a good idea! One that pays too! Even if blind people
are substantially the poorer for it, in money terms.
All that aside, I think you will find the diversity/equality industry
is blithely unaware and uninterested in disability as an equality
issue if it goes against their rather pathetic and ill-thought out
notions of equality. Indeed some are more equal than others. You
should see the money the favoured groups get locally and the money
local VI campaigners don't get.
I support Race equality , but too many in the B M E industry are
strongly antithetical and crassly ignorant of disability equality
issues and don't have the same notion of justice being done across the
board.
Cheers,
From Ray
I can be contacted off-list at:
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-----Original Message-----
Dave Taylor
Sent: 19 February 2008 10:26AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Political Correctness
Hi, taking that to its logical conclusion, let's scrap all equality
legislation, including the DDA, stop expecting anything to be made
accessible, and all have specialist gadgets, specialist jobs and
special
educational courses! Not as bad an idea as we might have thought even
a year
or two ago!
Cheers
Dave
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From: "jim o'brien" <jim.taggart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:23 AM
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
> my opinion only.
> political correctness is a form of brain washing and we should fight
it at
> every turn.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:16 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>
>
>> All I would say is it's PC or, as I call it, Political Cuckoo, gone
...
>> well ... cuckoo!
>>
>> I would have done the same in your shoes Roger. I take exception
to
>> being called a racist by anybody. I have some good friends from
>> overseas, and indeed family members.
>>
>> But what initiated this thread was Dave saying he didn't like the
BT Call
>> Centre, and I have to agree with that. They do read from scripts,
>> whether they come from Ireland or India. Broadband is also a very
>> technical language, and I sympathise with even well-versed English
>> speakers in the terminology they need to understand.
>>
>> There isn't any need for anybody to take offence. As I say, it's
PC gone
>> cuckoo.
>>
>> Jackie
>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger South" <roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:05 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>
>>
>>> Around the middle of last year I had occasion to phone my local
>>> council's hackney carriage office to complain of a taxi driver who
>>> refused to take my guide dog. In conversation I said that
immigrants to
>>> this country should be made aware that they will be expected to
obey the
>>> laws of this country That when in Rome do as Romans. The woman
went mad
>>> calling me the worse kind of racist and was going to report me
then
>>> slamming the phone down. A while later I received, unannounced, a
visit
>>> from the council department concerned with that sort of thing.
They said
>>> they were investigation to decide whether to prosecute me. They
than
>>> gave a list of the things I'd said which were twisted versions of
what I
>>> actually did say. I waited until they'd finished and simply asked
if
>>> they'd listened to the tape that was said about at the start of
the
>>> conversation on the phone. They admitted no so I told them to do
so and
>>> stop wasting my time. I didn't hear any more so I contacted them
and was
>>> told no further action was planned. I demanded an apology in
writing or
>>> I would start proceedings against them. I got it. So some people
do jump
>>> off the deep end without taking care to get their facts correct
first.
>>> So many people are so very over sensitive in finding reasons to be
>>> offended.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:53 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not sure Dave if it wouldn't have been better to refer to
language
>>>> barriers, perhaps? Maybe more a subject for Vi-gen, but I do get
very
>>>> anoyed when having to deal with people, whereever they might be
from,
>>>> who's grasp of English leaves much to be desired, e.g. in a pub
being
>>>> expected to point to what I want, rather than simply ask for it.
>>>>
>>>> Mind you much of the problem is also down to the mass-market
habit of
>>>> selling things and not providing propper support to keep prices
>>>> artificially low, hence use of call centres with no knowledge or
>>>> comitment to anything they are providing support for.
>>>>
>>>> As I say, a subject more for vi-gen I think.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From Ray
>>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Ankers, Dave (UK)
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kirsty,
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting, I used the word "Brainless" because the person
on
>>>> the
>>>> other end of the phone was unable to leave the script they have
been
>>>> programmed with and have a conversation based on information
given.
>>>> Is
>>>> that Racist?
>>>> I also stated that misunderstandings due to language differences,
>>>> meaning constantly having to repeat oneself was infuriating.
Does
>>>> that
>>>> make me a racist? oh no I used the "C" word!! yes coloured!
Jackie
>>>> stop
>>>> laughing!
>>>> It's interesting, whenever you use the word "Coloured" you must
be a
>>>> racist. If I was a racist, I wouldn't spend so much money in
their
>>>> restaurants!
>>>>
>>>> Sure there are some I don't like, just imagine I lived in between
two
>>>> neighbours, who both played agga bloody do at full volume, I
would
>>>> want
>>>> to shoot the pair of them, but one is Caucasian and the other
>>>> coloured!
>>>> yes you know what I'm going to be called after shooting the
coloured
>>>> one
>>>> don't you!
>>>>
>>>> Kirsty, you said you didn't want to start a new conversation on
the
>>>> subject, and it's not access related, but to someone who attended
a
>>>> school which was 75% coloured, and I know who is the most racist!
ever
>>>> heard of the cast system?
>>>> it's the proverbial red rag!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the opinion that your choice of words leaves a lot to be
>>>> desired,
>>>> and goes no way to support your statement that you are not
>>>> xenophobic -
>>>> your defining people by their skin colour and claiming that they
don't
>>>> have a brain because they don't understand you being two examples
>>>> thereof.
>>>>
>>>> I find this list a useful and productive platform for sharing
ideas
>>>> and
>>>> information, and think it would be unfortunate if it became a
place
>>>> where such discriminatory comments were unchallenged.
>>>>
>>>> I have no interest in opening up a new discussion on the subject,
but
>>>> wanted to make the point that at least one person here found the
>>>> racist
>>>> comments about Indian call centres offensive. Yes, I have had my
own
>>>> frustrating experiences with a number of call centres, but I
believe
>>>> there's a difference in being dissatisfied with a service and
writing
>>>> so
>>>> discourteously about a whole people group.
>>>>
>>>> Kirsty
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