This might be of interest to those who are deaf, blind regarding use of I phones and Macs Cheers Dave From the RP list: I forgot to mention about the wireless bluetooth keyboard that works with any apple product as far as I know. It is a great way to use the iPhone without the touchpad. It is portable, as in it will fit in a folder, large woman's purse or a tote bag of some sort, but it is not pocket sized. It's handy as all get out though. I used it with a friend who has the iPhone 4 and the wireless bluetooth Refreshabraille keyboard and we were able to communicate quite well with each other - she was deaf-blind and I don't know sign language (yet). I carry my keyboard with me everywhere and use if often to type into my iPhone, since a standard keyboard is what I (all of us!?!) am used to entering data with. On this list, we are at various stages of vision loss and some have hearing loss also. I am able to use my Phonak Naida V hearing aids with the iPhone VERY well! I can have my iPhone clipped to my waistband and enjoy the music, etc. while walking. It's more a matter of learning what's available, and unfortunately, of being able to afford, some of the technology that enables us to use this device and others. The Refreshable braille keyboard I just mentioned is about $1600, from APH if I remember right. For those of you with no hearing loss, you won't need to get this, probably, because you can listen to the phone. However, anyone who knows braille, or is willing to learn it, can use the Refreshabraille (or any other brand) wireless bluetooth keyboard to enter data in braille, as well as read the info on the phone. Apple is indeed working hard to make their products accessible, so kudos to them! It's about time accessibility came built-in. Over time, I've little doubt it will get better - lots better, especially as the processing power and memory in all this technology is finally strong enough to accommodate what we need from it. This all applies to the other devices by Apple also, including the Macs. So we are finally getting to a point where a few devices (or cheap apps only - depending on your disability level) will let us access everything we have - IF it's all Apple. Make no mistake, most hardware out there for the blind is Windows compatible only, like JAWS, for example, so there are decisions to be made and trade-offs, of course. So no one-size-fits-all-answer. I'm banking on Apple myself - it's just so much simpler once learned and works across the board. I'm personally quite tired of paying for expensive software and hardware for the PC, only to have to replace it or upgrade it at such hefty prices. I'm also tired of the learning curve with so many devices. I'd rather learn the touch technology since it's clearly the public trend, than learn JAWS and the other stuff. Having everything as accessible, simply designed apps on all my devices is how I hope the trend goes. In the long run, the price will be phenomenally less if Apple really does get completely on track with accessibility and I'm all for that. Only time will tell, as with all inventions... Kim |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | To leave the list send UNSUB RPLIST to LISTSERV@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx If |you need help see <http://www.dixonvision.com/rplist> | or email RPLIST-REQUEST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |---------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq