[wyomingabe] Re: GED students enrolling in college Fall 07

  • From: "Vincent Kathy" <kvincent@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <wyomingabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:46:24 -0600


Jeanie and I tested it yesterday.  We ran the federal tables.  Then we
picked a student, put in the date they had entered college which was
this month, ran the tables again, and it showed one more student that
had "obtained secondary school diploma/GED" on Table 5.  We really
didn't think it would work because of what Shannon had said and because
the date was this Sept., but it did.  You might want to try it but I
think it would still be a good idea to have it verified by LACES.






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[mailto:wyomingabe-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Willmarth, Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:06 PM
To: wyomingabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [wyomingabe] Re: GED students enrolling in college Fall 07




If I understand Larry Condelli's answer, we have been counting goals
correctly in Wyoming. However, from Shannon's comment at LACES training,
I don't think LACES will count a goal as met in the current program year
if it is met after 6/30. Can you please verify this at your meeting.




Kelly Willmarth, Program Manager

Adult Career and Education System (ACES)

Laramie County Community College

1400 E. College Dr.

Cheyenne, WY  82007


307.637.2460 fax

kwillmar@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kwillmar@xxxxxxxxxxx> 


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[mailto:wyomingabe-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Margaret Elwood
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM
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Subject: [wyomingabe] Re: GED students enrolling in college Fall 07


Hi, Kathy,

I am attending the LACES Summit in Boulder on September 10.  I will
visit with David regarding the drop down list of goals in LACES and the
Family Income Range.  I just sent out Larry Condelli's answer to the
question regarding the student who sets the goal of postsecondary
education in PY 06-07 and starts college in the fall.  Per Larry, as
long as he starts college before 12/31/07 you can count him on table 5
for PY 06-07.  After 12/31/07, he would be on table 13.



From: wyomingabe-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:wyomingabe-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent Kathy
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:27 PM
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Cc: Shelly Andrews; Ed Boenisch; James O. Rose; Cottenoir Jeanie
Subject: [wyomingabe] GED students enrolling in college Fall 07


Hi Margaret,


Since Sept. 30th is looming in the very near future, Jeanie and I have
been discussing LACES, the Federal Tables and students that attended our
program in 2006-07 and had "placement in post secondary educ or
training" as a goal.  Our discussion brought to mind the last training
for LACES in Casper in June when Shannon Stangis from LACES told us we
could not count enrollment in college classes this fall as completion of
the goal of "placement in post secondary educ or training" because the
student would be completing a goal after the PY year they were enrolled
in our program.  In other words, they were students in PY 06-07 but
completed their goal in PY 07-08.  Shannon said that for these students
we instead had to mark the goal as "achieved."  This would then convert
the goal to an "unintended outcome" which is tracked on Federal Table
13.  We didn't think this was acceptable since we've been counting it as
a goal completion for many previous years and we believe you said you
would check with NRS/Larry Condelli to see if it was acceptable under
NRS regulations for us count this goal as a completion for PY 06-07.  It
would seem more logical to have it show as a goal completion in the same
program year rather than to have students in one program year and their
goal completion in another year.  It's always been my understanding that
we want to stay away from "unintended outcomes."   It doesn't look good.
It's unintended and your data is split between two program years.   Have
you been able to contact Mr. Condelli in regard to this? 


Also, at the training it was noted there are a multitude of goals on the
drop-down list of goals in LACES.  Too many to be exact.  It was noted
that during the migration there was confusion and LACES migrated not
only goals but also the AEM "reasons for enrolling" giving us a very
long list of goals.  Have you had a chance to discuss this with David
Miller and have you decided which goals we as a state want to keep on


Also, there's the problem of the Family Income Range on LACES.  We have
always placed students in an income range based on the Federal Poverty
Tables which are updated each year in February.  The Family Income range
numbers on LACES are different than the numbers on the Federal Poverty
Tables.  Have you had a chance to discuss this with David Miller and
would LACES be willing to put in the Federal Poverty Table income
levels?  And would they be willing to update and/or possibly change the
table each February?  The number of low income students is reported on
Federal Table 6.


OK, I think that's it.  Thanks for your help in these matters, Margaret.







Kathy Vincent, Director

Adult Basic Education

Central Wyoming College

2660 Peck Avenue

Riverton, WY  82501

Ph.  307-855-2189 or 800-735-8418 ext. 2189

Fax 307-855-2019


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