[wwpoenglish] Re: [gha-peace] Re: [gha] Re: Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE L'UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !
- From: María Cristina Azcona <mcrisazcona@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:41:23 -0300
Yulia I read perfectly well, I have my lens on, and usually pay attention
although I dont participate daily
Anyway go ahead, I simply wanted to express myself freely
A hug and lots of love (Christian love) to you, to the victims and to all
Russia
*María Cristina Azcona*
*@macazcona*
*María Cristina Azcona*
2015-02-18 13:16 GMT-03:00 Julia Budnikova <budnikova@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> Maria, read again my letter to Gui. I spoke absolutely about other. And
> you, probably, didn't pay attention that I quoted this expression. Concerning
> the real Christians our representations absolutely coincide
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> *From:* gha-peace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> gha-peace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Maria Cristina Azcona
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:59 PM
> *To:* gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* Bruce Cook; IFLAC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Bhaskarroy@xxxxxxxxx; bilingualmca;
> wwpoenglish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; decade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Alain Bal;
> Daniel Durand; Daniel Durand; Germain Dufour; Germain Dufour; Adel Safty;
> uni.alli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ghausa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; peace-from-harmony;
> peaceforum; Peace and Conflict Studies Center (PCS Center); Carlos PALMA;
> Carol Rosin; WWWI WCP KENOSHA; secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [gha-peace] Re: [gha] Re: Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK
> ENTRE L'UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !
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> Yulia and Rosana send us links to read on the conflict
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> but please dont say Christianity has something to be involved in not
> respecting others lives
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> The sinners, even in Catholicism the priests that have been involved in
> monstruous activities against children havent done their crimes "because"
> they were catholic, they were criminals, that´s all
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> Each religion has different principles and there isnt a religion that may
> be called guilty as muslim religion is not guilty of the caliphate´s crimes
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> *María Cristina Azcona*
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> *@macazcona*
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> *María Cristina Azcona*
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> 2015-02-18 12:49 GMT-03:00 Роксана Садыкова <roksana.sadykova@xxxxxxxxx>:
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> Dear members of the GHA!
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> I support Yulia Budnikova on the topic of Ukraine. There is a real war,
> where the government kill its own people. Children instead of going to
> school hiding in the basement with their mothers. Destroyed infrastructure,
> shells fall in hospitals, schools, homes. But in Western countries,
> unfortunately, there is no comprehensive and accurate coverage of these
> terrible events.
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> Sincerely, Roxana Sadykova,
> Vice President GHA and GHA-Russia
> Address: Ufa, Republic Of Bashkortostan, Russia
> E-mail: roksana.sadykova@xxxxxxxxx
> Website: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=624
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> 2015-02-18 20:39 GMT+05:00 Prof. Ernesto Kahan <ekahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
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> This discussion about arguments in for and against, including the question
> of Maria Azcona, are very instructive in order to learn about this bloody
> conflict that is very dangerous for the universal peace. We must recognized
> that the press I can read in not a good source of information
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> Ernesto Kahan
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> *From:* María Cristina Azcona <mcrisazcona@xxxxxxxxx>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:58 PM
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> *To:* gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> *Cc:* IFLAC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
> Bhaskarroy@xxxxxxxxx ; bilingualmca <bilingualmca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
> wwpoenglish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; decade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Alain Bal
> <al.bal@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Daniel Durand <dan.cdm@xxxxxxxxx> ; Daniel Durand
> <daniel@xxxxxxxxx> ; Germain Dufour <globalcommunity@xxxxxxxxx> ; Germain
> Dufour <globaldialogue2004@xxxxxxx> ; Adel Safty <globalleaders@xxxxxxxxx>
> ; uni.alli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; gha <gha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; ghausa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ; peace-from-harmony <peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; peaceforum
> <PeaceForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Peace and Conflict Studies Center (PCS
> Center) <cscenter1.nepal@xxxxxxxxx> ; Carlos PALMA
> <peacedayeducation4peace@xxxxxxxxx> ; Carol Rosin <peacemother@xxxxxxxxx>
> ; WWWI WCP KENOSHA <peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
> secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> *Subject:* [gha] Re: [gha-peace] Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE
> L'UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !
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> Christian culture what???
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> *María Cristina Azcona*
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> *@macazcona*
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> *GHA VICEPRESIDENT CO FOUNDER*
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> *María Cristina Azcona*
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> 2015-02-18 8:52 GMT-03:00 Julia Budnikova <budnikova@xxxxxxxxxx>:
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> Dear monsieur Сrequie! I want to notice that you distort the facts.
> Russia didn't make the peace with Ukraine because Russia wasn't at war with
> Ukraine. Ukraine is at war with own citizens in Donbass. And in Minsk
> Putin, Merkel and Hollande convinced this mad country in the person of
> her president to stop killing peace people. Will be to tell more honestly
> that it is the United States of America are at war with Russia. You can
> argue with arrogance of old Europe for what the West needs Russia. But I
> want to notice that after that fact that the European "Christian culture",
> you including and your governors, a half of year didn't tell any word
> against murder by the Ukrainian soldiers of the Russian children, women,
> old men, against destruction of schools and hospitals in Donbass, this old
> civilization finally died as CULTURE. For Russia and for God.
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> Julia Budnikova,
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> Vice-president of Global Harmony Association,
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> Acting President, GHA-Russia
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> *From:* gha-peace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> gha-peace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Guy Crequie
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:55 PM
> *To:* IFLAC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> Bhaskarroy@xxxxxxxxx; bilingualmca; wwpoenglish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> decade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; al.bal@xxxxxxxxxxx; dan.cdm@xxxxxxxxx;
> 'Daniel Durand'; globalcommunity@xxxxxxxxx; 'Germain Dufour'; 'Adel
> Safty'; uni.alli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; gha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ghausa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> gha-peace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; peace-from-harmony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> PeaceForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Peace and Conflict Studies Center (PCS
> Center); peacedayeducation4peace@xxxxxxxxx; 'Carol Rosin'; 'WWWI WCP
> KENOSHA'
> *Cc:* secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [gha-peace] TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE L'UKRAINE ET LA
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> *De :* Guy Crequie [mailto:guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx <guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx>]
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> *Envoyé :* jeudi 12 février 2015 11:43
> *Objet :* L’ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE L’UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !
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> *L’ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE L’UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !*
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> *ET ESPERONS LE = DURABLE !*
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> *Après de longues négociations préparées par les experts, 2 rencontres à
> Moscou puis Minsk et une longue négociation en ce dernier lieu (toute la
> nuit et une partie de la matinée) un accord de paix a enfin abouti entre la
> Russie et L’Ukraine et les séparatistes pro-russes ont été représentés à
> certains niveaux de la négociation. Un accord de paix a été trouvé, jeudi
> 12 février au matin à Minsk, après plus de quatorze heures de négociations.
> Les quatre dirigeants russe, ukrainien, français et allemand vont se porter
> garants d'un compromis qui a été signé par des émissaires ukrainiens et
> russes, les séparatistes et l'Organisation pour la sécurité et la
> coopération en Europe (OSCE).*
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> *La France et l’Allemagne représentées par le Président François HOLLANDE
> et la Chancelière Angéla MERKEL ont été à l’initiative de ce long marathon
> de paix et ont pris une part plus qu’active pour son aboutissement.*
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> *Les points durs de la négociation étaient :*
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> *- Quel avenir pour le Donbass ?*
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> *- Les frontières*
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> *- Les prisonniers*
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> *- Le cessez-le-feu*
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> *- Un accord respecté ?*
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> *Après des milliers de morts, des exodes forcés, et la guerre à la porte
> de L’Europe, on ne peut que se féliciter de cet accord et surtout espérer
> son respect.*
>
> *Certes, Vladimir POUTINE a l’ambition de redonner à la Russie la grandeur
> de la grande Russie tsariste au temps de sa splendeur et des meilleures
> années de l’Ancienne URSS. Cependant, la diplomatie américaine et parfois
> européenne avaient commis des erreurs. Les perspectives d’une possible
> entrée de l’Ukraine dans l’UE (Union Européenne), et pire dans l’OTAN, ne
> pouvaient qu’irriter le Maître du Kremlin.*
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> *Les armes tues, il faudra trouver par la diplomatie et la bonne volonté
> la place de l’Ukraine dans le concert international : une place qui
> respecte ses liens historique avec la Russie malgré les péripéties de leur
> histoire et son ouverture vers L’Union Européenne.*
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> *Vladimir POUTINE au-delà de son caractère et de ses pratiques este le
> Président de la Russie. Ce pays est doté de l’arme nucléaire et siège comme
> membre permanent au Conseil de sécurité de l’ONU. Entre autres, ce pays
> peur tenir un rôle majeur pour le règlement de la situation politique en
> Syrie.*
>
> *Alors, que les nébuleuses terroristes avec l’existence et l’agressivité
> de Daech, Boko Haram, Aqmi…. Posent des problèmes pour la paix mondiale,
> l’humanité a besoin d’une harmonie entre l’Orient et l’Occident, entre les
> pays du Nord et ceux du Sud et présentement des pays comme la Chine, la
> Russie, l’Inde, le Brésil, l’Afrique du sud, le Nigéria, l’Indonésie,
> l’Egypte, l’Iran,…auront de plus en plus toute leur place dans le concert
> international.*
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> *La réalité et l’expansion du terrorisme international héla concrétisé
> principalement par le fondamentalisme musulman inspiré notamment par le
> Wahhabisme et le salafisme conduisent de grands pays et des Institutions à
> envisager des rapprochements avec le régime iranien et celui de Bachar
> Al-Assad malgré ses crimes par la force de l’urgence.*
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> *La levée des sanctions économiques contre la Russie devrait permettre,
> espérons- le, la reprise progressive de coopérations pas seulement
> politique et économique, mais également sur le terrain culturel. Ce pays
> peut aussi apporter sa part au règlement du dossier du nucléaire iranien.*
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> *Sachons apprécier, et surtout faire vivre cet accord dans le respect des
> différences politiques, culturelles et sociales, pour la dignité humaine et
> le bien commun universel.*
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> *Copyright Guy CREQUIE*
>
> *Ecrivain français-Observateur social*
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> *Messager de la culture de la paix de l’UNESCO*
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> *Représentant français d’ONG internationales*
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> *De paix et d’harmonie*
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> *THE PEACE AGREEMENT WITH MINSK BETWEEN THE UKRAINE AND RUSSIA = FINALLY!*
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> *AND LET US HOPE FOR IT = DURABLE!*
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> *After long negotiations prepared by the experts, 2 meetings in Moscow
> then Minsk and a long negotiation in this last place (all the night and
> part of the morning) a peace agreement finally led between Russia and the
> Ukraine and the separatists pro-Russian were represented on certain levels
> of the negotiation. A peace agreement was reached, Thursday, February 12 in
> the morning with Minsk, after more than fourteen hours of negotiations. The
> four leaders Russian, Ukrainian, French and German will go guaranteeing of
> a compromise which was signed by Ukrainian and Russian emissary, the
> separatists and the Organization for safety and the co-operation in Europe
> (OSCE).*
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> *France and Germany represented by President François Hollande and the
> Chancellor Angela Merkel were on the initiative of this long marathon of
> peace and took a share more than active for its result.*
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> *The hard points of the negotiation were:*
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> *- Which future for Donbass?*
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> *- Borders*
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> *- Prisoners*
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> *- Cease-fire*
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> *- A respected agreement?*
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> *After thousands of deaths, forced exoduses, and the war with the door of
> Europe, one can only be pleased with this agreement and especially hope for
> its respect.*
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> *Admittedly, Vladimir PUTIN has the ambition to give again in Russia the
> size of large Russia tsarist at the time of his splendor and of the best
> years of the Old USSR. However, the American and sometimes European
> diplomacy had made mistakes. The prospects for a possible entry of the
> Ukraine in the EU (European Union), and worse in NATO, could only irritate
> the Master of the Kremlin.*
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> *The weapons kill, it will be necessary to find by the diplomacy and the
> good will the place of the Ukraine in the international concert: a place
> which respects its bonds history with Russia in spite of the adventures of
> their history and its opening towards the European Union.*
>
> *Vladimir PUTIN beyond his character and of its practices este the
> President of Russia. This country is equipped with the nuclear weapon and
> seat like permanent member at the Security Council of UNO. Inter alia, this
> country fear of holding a main function for the regulation of the political
> situation in Syria.*
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> *Then, that terrorist nebulas with the existence and the aggressiveness of
> Daech, Boko Haram, Aqmi…. Pose problems for world peace, humanity needs a
> harmony between the East and the Occident, between the countries of the
> North and those of the South and at present of the countries like China,
> Russia, India, Brazil, South Africa, Nigeria, Indonesia, Egypt, Iran,… will
> have more and more all their place in the international concert.*
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>
>
> *The reality and the expansion of international terrorism héla concretized
> mainly by the Moslem fundamentalism inspired in particular by Wahhabisme
> and the salafism lead large countries and Institutions to consider
> bringings together with the Iranian mode and that of Bachar Al-Assad in
> spite of its crimes by the force of the urgency.*
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> *The lifting of the economic sanctions against Russia should allow, hope
> for it, the progressive resumption of co-operations not only political and
> economic, but also on the cultural ground. This country can also bring its
> share to the regulation of the file of the Iranian nuclear power.*
>
> *Let Us Can appreciate, and especially make live this agreement in the
> respect of the political, cultural and social differences, for human
> dignity and the universal community property.*
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> *Copyright Guy CREQUIE*
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> *Writer social French-Observer*
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> *Messenger of the culture of the peace of UNESCO*
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> *French Representative of ONG international*
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> *Peace and of harmony*
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