[wwpoenglish] Fwd: [gha] Re: [gha-peace] Re: Re: Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE L'UKRAINE ET LA RUSSIE = ENFIN !

  • From: María Cristina Azcona <mcrisazcona@xxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:50 -0300

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From: Guy Crequie <guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2015-02-18 13:25 GMT-03:00
Subject: [gha] Re: [gha-peace] Re: Re: Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK
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*Oui : la presse occidentale manque d’objectivité, et ne nous dit pas tout
concernant ce conflit.*

*Il faut respecter l’histoire, les cultures et coutumes, et tout ne doit
pas être ramené à l’Occident et aux USA.*

*Cela a été une erreur de ne pas avoir dialogue suffisamment avec la
 Russie à  propos de la Syrie ;ceci, car la Russie est un interlocuteur
incontournable pour ce dossier pour une solution politique.*

*Je ne suis pas un admirateur inconditionnel  du Président OBAMA ; l’
élection d’un afro-américain a la tête de  ce pays *

*avait une profonde signification politique, ceci, compte tenu de
l’histoire de ce pays.*

*Pour autant , malgré ses discours de Prague et du Caire relativement au
nucléaire et au dialogue avec les pays arabes, je pense, qu’il n’ a pas
honoré le prix Nobel de la paix qu’il  a reçu. S’agissant du conflit
israélo-palestinien  qui empoisonne des relations internationales et a sa
part dans  l’engagement de jeunes dans le Djihadisme, il  a fait preuve de

*Pour autant, l’Amérique reste un grand pays, qui a chèrement conquis son
indépendance, et qui malgré l’émergence d’autres pays  majeurs dans la
mondialisation reste un acteur incontournable dans les affaires du monde.*

*Il faut dialoguer avec les représentants de ce pays sans concession, mais
avec la même bonne volonté qu’avec d’autres pour le dialogue entre
civilisations pour régler pacifiquement les affaires du monde. L’anathème,
le mépris, le diabolisation, ne sont pas des facteurs de paix .S’agissant
du dossier Russie/ Ukraine = tout ce qui contribue à la connaissance de la
vérité doit être dit, justement pour un règlement durable.*




*Yes: the Western press misses objectivity, and all does not tell us
relating to this conflict.*

*It is necessary to respect the history, the cultures and habits, and all
should not be brought back to the Occident and the USA.*

*That was an error not to have dialog sufficiently with Russia in
connection with Syria;this, because Russia is an interlocutor impossible to
circumvent for this file for a political solution.*

*I am not an unconditional admiror of President OBAMA; the election of an
Afro-American has the head of this country *

*had a deep political meaning, this, taking into account the history of
this country.*

*For as much, in spite of his speeches of Prague and of Cairo compared to
nuclear power and of the dialog with the Arab countries, I think, that it
did not honor the Nobel Prize with the peace which it received. As regards
israélo-Palestinian conflict which poisons international relations and has
its share in the commitment of young people in Djihadisme, he showed

*For as much, America remains a large country, which dearly conquered its
independence, and which in spite of the emergence of other major countries
in globalization remains an inevitable actor in the business of the world.*

*It is necessary to dialog with the representatives of this country without
concession, but with the same good will as with others for the dialog
between civilizations to regulate the business of the world peacefully. The
anathema, the contempt, the diabolisation, are not factors of peace.*

*As regards file Russia Ukraine = all that contributes to the knowledge of
the truth must be known as, precisely for a durable regulation.*



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*Envoyé :* mercredi 18 février 2015 16:50
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*Objet :* [gha] Re: [gha-peace] Re: Re: Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK

Dear members of the GHA!

I support Yulia Budnikova on the topic of Ukraine. There is a real war,
where the government kill its own people. Children instead of going to
school hiding in the basement with their mothers. Destroyed infrastructure,
shells fall in hospitals, schools, homes. But in Western countries,
unfortunately, there is no comprehensive and accurate coverage of these
terrible events.


Sincerely, Roxana Sadykova,
Vice President GHA and GHA-Russia
Address: Ufa, Republic Of Bashkortostan, Russia
E-mail: roksana.sadykova@xxxxxxxxx
Website: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=ru_c&key=624


2015-02-18 20:39 GMT+05:00 Prof. Ernesto Kahan <ekahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

This discussion about arguments in for and against, including the question
of Maria Azcona, are very instructive in order to learn about this bloody
conflict that is very dangerous for the universal peace. We must recognized
that the press I can read in not a good source of information

Ernesto Kahan

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*Subject:* [gha] Re: [gha-peace] Re: TR: L'ACCORD DE PAIX A MINSK ENTRE

Christian culture what???

*María Cristina Azcona*



*María Cristina Azcona*

2015-02-18 8:52 GMT-03:00 Julia Budnikova <budnikova@xxxxxxxxxx>:

Dear monsieur Сrequie! I want to notice that you distort the facts. Russia
didn't make the peace with Ukraine because Russia wasn't at war with
Ukraine. Ukraine is at war with own citizens in Donbass. And in Minsk
Putin, Merkel and Hollande convinced this mad country in the person of her
president to stop killing peace people. Will be to tell more honestly that
it is the United States of America are at war with Russia. You can argue
with arrogance of old Europe for what the West needs Russia. But I want to
notice that after that fact that the European "Christian culture", you
including and your governors, a half of year didn't tell any word against
murder by the Ukrainian soldiers of the Russian children, women, old men,
against destruction of schools and hospitals in Donbass, this old
civilization finally died as CULTURE.  For Russia and for God.

Julia Budnikova,

Vice-president of Global Harmony Association,

Acting President, GHA-Russia

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*De :* Guy Crequie [mailto:guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx <guy.crequie@xxxxxxxxxx>]
*Envoyé :* jeudi 12 février 2015 11:43



*Après de longues négociations préparées par les experts, 2 rencontres à
Moscou puis Minsk et une longue négociation en ce dernier lieu (toute la
nuit et une partie de la matinée) un accord de paix a enfin abouti entre la
Russie et L’Ukraine et les séparatistes pro-russes ont été représentés à
certains niveaux de la négociation. Un accord de paix a été trouvé, jeudi
12 février au matin à Minsk, après plus de quatorze heures de négociations.
Les quatre dirigeants russe, ukrainien, français et allemand vont se porter
garants d'un compromis qui a été signé par des émissaires ukrainiens et
russes, les séparatistes et l'Organisation pour la sécurité et la
coopération en Europe (OSCE).*

*La France et l’Allemagne représentées par le Président François HOLLANDE
et la Chancelière Angéla MERKEL ont été à l’initiative de ce long marathon
de paix et ont pris une part plus qu’active pour son aboutissement.*

*Les points durs de la négociation étaient :*

*-        Quel avenir pour le Donbass ?*

*-        Les frontières*

*-        Les prisonniers*

*-        Le cessez-le-feu*

*-        Un accord respecté ?*

*Après des milliers de morts, des exodes forcés, et la guerre à la porte de
L’Europe, on ne peut que se féliciter de cet accord et surtout espérer son

*Certes, Vladimir POUTINE a l’ambition de redonner à la Russie la grandeur
de la grande Russie tsariste au temps de sa splendeur et des meilleures
années de l’Ancienne URSS. Cependant, la diplomatie américaine et parfois
européenne avaient commis des erreurs. Les perspectives d’une possible
entrée de l’Ukraine dans l’UE (Union Européenne), et pire dans l’OTAN, ne
pouvaient qu’irriter le Maître du Kremlin.*

*Les armes tues, il faudra trouver par la diplomatie et la bonne volonté la
place de l’Ukraine dans le concert international : une place qui respecte
ses liens historique avec la Russie malgré les péripéties de leur histoire
et son ouverture vers L’Union Européenne.*

*Vladimir POUTINE au-delà de son caractère et de ses pratiques este le
Président de la Russie. Ce pays est doté de l’arme nucléaire et siège comme
membre permanent au Conseil de sécurité de l’ONU. Entre autres, ce pays
peur tenir un rôle majeur pour le règlement de la situation politique en

*Alors, que les nébuleuses terroristes avec l’existence et l’agressivité de
Daech, Boko Haram, Aqmi…. Posent des problèmes pour la paix mondiale,
l’humanité a besoin d’une harmonie entre l’Orient et l’Occident, entre les
pays du Nord et ceux du Sud et présentement des pays comme la Chine, la
Russie, l’Inde, le Brésil, l’Afrique du sud, le Nigéria, l’Indonésie,
l’Egypte, l’Iran,…auront de plus en plus toute leur place dans le concert

*La réalité et l’expansion du terrorisme international héla concrétisé
principalement par le fondamentalisme musulman inspiré notamment par le
Wahhabisme et le salafisme conduisent de grands pays et des Institutions à
envisager des rapprochements avec le régime iranien et celui de Bachar
Al-Assad malgré ses crimes par la force de l’urgence.*

*La levée des sanctions économiques contre la Russie devrait permettre,
espérons- le, la reprise progressive de coopérations pas seulement
politique et économique, mais également sur le terrain culturel. Ce pays
peut aussi apporter sa part au règlement du dossier du nucléaire iranien.*

*Sachons apprécier, et surtout faire vivre cet accord dans le respect des
différences politiques, culturelles et sociales, pour la dignité humaine et
le bien commun universel.*

*Copyright Guy CREQUIE*

*Ecrivain français-Observateur social*

*Messager de la culture de la paix de l’UNESCO*

*Représentant français d’ONG internationales*

*De paix et d’harmonie*



*After long negotiations prepared by the experts, 2 meetings in Moscow then
Minsk and a long negotiation in this last place (all the night and part of
the morning) a peace agreement finally led between Russia and the Ukraine
and the separatists pro-Russian were represented on certain levels of the
negotiation. A peace agreement was reached, Thursday, February 12 in the
morning with Minsk, after more than fourteen hours of negotiations. The
four leaders Russian, Ukrainian, French and German will go guaranteeing of
a compromise which was signed by Ukrainian and Russian emissary, the
separatists and the Organization for safety and the co-operation in Europe

*France and Germany represented by President François Hollande and the
Chancellor Angela Merkel were on the initiative of this long marathon of
peace and took a share more than active for its result.*

*The hard points of the negotiation were:*

*- Which future for Donbass?*

*- Borders*

*- Prisoners*

*- Cease-fire*

*- A respected agreement?*

*After thousands of deaths, forced exoduses, and the war with the door of
Europe, one can only be pleased with this agreement and especially hope for
its respect.*

*Admittedly, Vladimir PUTIN has the ambition to give again in Russia the
size of large Russia tsarist at the time of his splendor and of the best
years of the Old USSR. However, the American and sometimes European
diplomacy had made mistakes. The prospects for a possible entry of the
Ukraine in the EU (European Union), and worse in NATO, could only irritate
the Master of the Kremlin.*

*The weapons kill, it will be necessary to find by the diplomacy and the
good will the place of the Ukraine in the international concert: a place
which respects its bonds history with Russia in spite of the adventures of
their history and its opening towards the European Union.*

*Vladimir PUTIN beyond his character and of its practices este the
President of Russia. This country is equipped with the nuclear weapon and
seat like permanent member at the Security Council of UNO. Inter alia, this
country fear of holding a main function for the regulation of the political
situation in Syria.*

*Then, that terrorist nebulas with the existence and the aggressiveness of
Daech, Boko Haram, Aqmi…. Pose problems for world peace, humanity needs a
harmony between the East and the Occident, between the countries of the
North and those of the South and at present of the countries like China,
Russia, India, Brazil, South Africa, Nigeria, Indonesia, Egypt, Iran,… will
have more and more all their place in the international concert.*

*The reality and the expansion of international terrorism héla concretized
mainly by the Moslem fundamentalism inspired in particular by Wahhabisme
and the salafism lead large countries and Institutions to consider
bringings together with the Iranian mode and that of Bachar Al-Assad in
spite of its crimes by the force of the urgency.*

*The lifting of the economic sanctions against Russia should allow, hope
for it, the progressive resumption of co-operations not only political and
economic, but also on the cultural ground. This country can also bring its
share to the regulation of the file of the Iranian nuclear power.*

*Let Us Can appreciate, and especially make live this agreement in the
respect of the political, cultural and social differences, for human
dignity and the universal community property.*

*Copyright Guy CREQUIE*

*Writer social French-Observer*

*Messenger of the culture of the peace of UNESCO*

*French Representative of ONG international*

*Peace and of harmony*



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