John, the sw Pedestrian Pushbutton Arrow for crossing WCD across from
Dunkin is hard against a Wood Stockade Fence and a Wood Utility Pole. And
shin deep in Snow. Must be " Fun " for School Students.
Dennis
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 5:26 PM John Brooking <johnbrooking4@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think he means William Clark. I took a "field trip" into town this
afternoon to look at the Severino's intersection, and decided to add stops
at Spring & Stroudwater to see for myself what he meant. I looked at both
William Clark and Main Street of each. The push buttons at Spring and Main
Street are all just plain small buttons. Only the William Clark ones have
the arrow.
I'm currently writing it up in a document. Stay tuned...
John Brooking
Cyclist, Cycling Educator, Technologist
http://cyclingsavvy.org
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 3:36 PM Dennis Marrotte <
dennis.marrotte1111@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carson, do you mean Spring and Main Street OR Spring and WCD ?
Thanks,
Dennis
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 2:31 PM Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I know the signal on the Southwest corner of Stroudwater does not point
exactly in the direction of the crosswalk.
On the Northwest corner of Spring the arrow is also incorrectly
pointed.
*From:* wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *John Brooking
*Sent:* Saturday, February 26, 2022 2:17 PM
*To:* wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [wsmac] Re: Pedestrian signal guidelines
Hi, Carson,
Is there sometimes a problem with the arrows not pointing in the right
direction? If so, that sounds like it would be a problem with how the
installation is done, and we can check that afterwards.
The diagram in the plan calls for a "Polara Model IN337 APS push button
assembly" or approved equivalent. I couldn't find that model mentioned at
the Polara product listing <https://polara.com/products>, maybe it's an
old one. But most of the pictures did show a button with an arrow, with the
exception of the "Bulldog" model. That one just has the concentric circles.
The model numbers with the arrows start with "INS" or "INX", so I would
think that the IN337 on the DOT plan is similar.
John Brooking
Cyclist, Cycling Educator, Technologist
http://cyclingsavvy.org
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 1:50 PM Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
If this is reviewed it should be noted that the push button on audible
signals is an arrow. Logically, the arrow should point exactly in the
direction the blind pedestrian is supposed to travel.
*From:* wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *John Brooking
*Sent:* Saturday, February 26, 2022 12:17 PM
*To:* wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Cc:* Jill <jjohanning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [wsmac] Pedestrian signal guidelines
Hello again, WSMAC,
Local architect and Discover Downtown Westbrook Design Committee member
Jill Johanning recently followed up with her DOT ADA contact on a question
we had about pedestrian request buttons. It was mentioned in the DOT plans
for the William Clark Drive project this summer that the push button
"maximum allowable reach distance" shall be 24" (Sheet 10, "Pedestrian
Signals and Push Buttons", #7
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/13xWpZXtXo2nBfj10oDvyUCwMFIGQ1T09/view>
).
Our first question was, what does "maximum allowable reach distance"
mean?
It is the length you have to reach to get the button. In this diagram
from ADA guidelines, it is the measurement at the bottom, recommended to be
255 mm max, or 10".
Since the DOT plan says 24" instead of 10", the DOT ADA contact that
Jill spoke to promised she would have it changed to 10" in the project
plan. I'll note this in our WCD Project Notes Document
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TCBbvsMOmgzKhEcO0syCo8JbC_sXlPev0ybf9oX9Xts/edit?usp=sharing>
.
Jill included a link to this "Public Rights Of Way Guidelines
<https://www.access-board.gov/prowag/>" (PROWAG) document from the
federal government, which includes lots of information about recommended
dimensions of pedestrian infrastructure in Sections 3 and 4, Technical
Requirements.
John Brooking
Cyclist, Cycling Educator, Technologist
http://cyclingsavvy.org
