Spring & William Clark near parking lot on fat metal pole. Nortwest corner.
From: wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Dennis Marrotte
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 3:36 PM
To: wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Carson WOOD <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [wsmac] Re: Pedestrian signal guidelines
Carson, do you mean Spring and Main Street OR Spring and WCD ?
Thanks,
Dennis
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 2:31 PM Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I know the signal on the Southwest corner of Stroudwater does not point exactly
in the direction of the crosswalk.
On the Northwest corner of Spring the arrow is also incorrectly pointed.
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<wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of
John Brooking
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 2:17 PM
To: wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [wsmac] Re: Pedestrian signal guidelines
Hi, Carson,
Is there sometimes a problem with the arrows not pointing in the right
direction? If so, that sounds like it would be a problem with how the
installation is done, and we can check that afterwards.
The diagram in the plan calls for a "Polara Model IN337 APS push button
assembly" or approved equivalent. I couldn't find that model mentioned at the
Polara product listing <https://polara.com/products> , maybe it's an old one.
But most of the pictures did show a button with an arrow, with the exception of
the "Bulldog" model. That one just has the concentric circles. The model
numbers with the arrows start with "INS" or "INX", so I would think that the
IN337 on the DOT plan is similar.
John Brooking
Cyclist, Cycling Educator, Technologist
http://cyclingsavvy.org
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 1:50 PM Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
If this is reviewed it should be noted that the push button on audible signals
is an arrow. Logically, the arrow should point exactly in the direction the
blind pedestrian is supposed to travel.
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<wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of
John Brooking
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 12:17 PM
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Cc: Jill <jjohanning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jjohanning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: [wsmac] Pedestrian signal guidelines
Hello again, WSMAC,
Local architect and Discover Downtown Westbrook Design Committee member Jill
Johanning recently followed up with her DOT ADA contact on a question we had
about pedestrian request buttons. It was mentioned in the DOT plans for the
William Clark Drive project this summer that the push button "maximum allowable
reach distance" shall be 24" (Sheet 10,
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/13xWpZXtXo2nBfj10oDvyUCwMFIGQ1T09/view>
"Pedestrian Signals and Push Buttons", #7).
Our first question was, what does "maximum allowable reach distance" mean?
It is the length you have to reach to get the button. In this diagram from ADA
guidelines, it is the measurement at the bottom, recommended to be 255 mm max,
or 10".
Since the DOT plan says 24" instead of 10", the DOT ADA contact that Jill spoke
to promised she would have it changed to 10" in the project plan. I'll note
this in our WCD Project Notes Document
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TCBbvsMOmgzKhEcO0syCo8JbC_sXlPev0ybf9oX9Xts/edit?usp=sharing>
.
Jill included a link to this "Public Rights Of Way Guidelines
<https://www.access-board.gov/prowag/> " (PROWAG) document from the federal
government, which includes lots of information about recommended dimensions of
pedestrian infrastructure in Sections 3 and 4, Technical Requirements.
John Brooking
Cyclist, Cycling Educator, Technologist
http://cyclingsavvy.org
