Oh, you can find plenty of definitions of fact on the Web. If you ask Google to define fact, it comes up with the following (before moving on to things like FACT being a Japanese band): * a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case" * a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts" * an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell" * a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn * The term fact can refer to, depending on context, a detail concerning circumstances past or present, a claim corresponding to objective reality, a provably true concept, or a synonym for reality.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact What strikes me is that terms like "information", "statement" and "concept" figure so prominently. Certainly, volume of commentary isn't a criticism. But what is less usual about the case of W is the lack of much agreement. Along with the feeling that W did not try very hard to be understood, sometimes perhaps the opposite. Kant may present problems, but he spent 20 years figuring out the CPR and was then sufficiently distressed at being misunderstood to produce a revised version soon afterwards. I don't see any sign that Kant was ever intentionally obscure. On 08/09/2010 12:01, walto wrote: > > I think that's a bad definition. Here are some better ones, from > dictionary.com: > > –noun > 1. > something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis > in fact. > 2. > something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. > 3. > a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be > true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. > 4. > something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given > by the witness are highly questionable. > 5. > Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as > distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of > fact, question of law. > > I don't know of any important work of philosophy that hasn't produced a > volume of commentary. I don't think that alone should be considered a > sort of condemnation. It's clearly hard to understand, and at times > seems intentionally obscure, but I think that's also true of Kant. And > Aristotle is no day at the beach, either, IMO. > > W ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quickphilosophy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quickphilosophy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: quickphilosophy-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx quickphilosophy-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: quickphilosophy-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/