--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote: > Is the following argument nonsense? > 1. The most complete scientific account of all of nature would come > in the form of a series of statements. > 2. It is often possible to express the same propositional content > with two or more differently worded propositions. > Ergo, 3. There is a shortest way to express all the propositions > necessary for the most complete scientific account of all of nature, > as compared to longer ways using longer sentences. Yes it's nonsense. I'm also unsure of its relation to the topic of this thread. (1) may already be nonsense. It presupposes that there is such a thing as "the most complete scientific account of all nature". But maybe no account can be complete, and any account can always be extended to be more complete (but never reach the "most complete" level). That is to say, all of nature might not be finitely specifiable. With (2), you run into a different problem. The alternative description may be using different concepts, and so be dependent on different meanings. If we are allowed to introduce new concepts, we can always shorten descriptions. For example, "pi" (or "\pi" for latex users) gives a very short finite account of what is not finitely presentable it we restrict to purely numeric concepts. As a consequence, any idea of "shortest" would depend on the system of concepts being used in that account. And since we do not have any known way of specifying concepts, there's no way to include that dependency as part of the account. In a way, it is a little amusing that you raise this issue. For, in other posts, you have agreed with Searle in his claim that you cannot get semantics from syntax. Yet this whole argument seems to depend on there being a way of getting semantics from syntax. I base this assessment on the fact that "shortness" is a property of syntax, while an "account of all nature" is a semantic requirement. Regards, Neil ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/