[Wittrs] Dualism Cooties: Classifying Searle

  • From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:59:38 -0400

SWM wrote:

>Joseph Polanik wrote:

>>SWM wrote:

>>>Searle, of course, peels off subjectness from the rest of the
>>>universe by asserting that it has a "first person ontology" which
>>>cannot be dealt with in a third person way. But what does that mean,

>>according to you, it means that Searle is a Cartesian dualist, an
>>interactive substance dualist.

>My view is that as long as you think consciousness isn't reducible to
>what isn't itself conscious you cannot conceive of how certain kinds of
>physical processes, not themselves conscious, can be conscious when
>combined in a certain way. It is THAT conception that controls Searle's
>idea of consciousness, that is dualist (because it posits at least two
>irreducible phenomena in the world) and that underlies his CRA. Without
>it, the CR cannot offer a generalized conclusion concerning its
>constituents (the types of physical processes in question).

few would deny that there are two types of phenomena, those having a
first-person 'ontology' (experienceable) and those having a third person
'ontology' (measurable); but that only describes the phenomenological
dualism that is to be explained.

in a recent post, you've explained how Searle does this.

>if Searle says brains cause consciousness (as he does), then there is
>no reason computers cannot do so, as well, UNLESS consciousness is some
>kind of special phenomenon, something different from all other outcomes
>of physical processes in the universe such that only brains (or
>something capable of the unknown thing brains do) can do it. And Searle
>does say this when he argues that brains have some unknown (but
>possibly discoverable) causal capacity that computers lack.

how is that not property dualism?

there are the brain properties that produce all outcomes other than
consciousness; and, there is the set of properties (yet to be
discovered) that produce consciousness.

since both of these property sets are attributed to the brain, it is
S1/P2 - substance monism / property dualism



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