--- On Fri, 3/26/10, SWM <wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > But then Searle is a "property dualist" since he just expresses the same > notion differently, i.e., in his claim that consciousness > has a first person ontology that is irreducible to the third > person ontology of so-called physical things. But Searle doesn't make that claim. He acknowledges that we can reduce mental phenomena to physics both causally and ontologically if we so choose. He also observes that it would make no sense to do the ontological reduction, as we would lose the concept that interests us. By contrast, property and substance dualists outright deny the possibility of an ontological reduction on the grounds that mental phenomena have a non-physical kind of reality. -gts ========================================== Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/