--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > Remove the parts and there goes the whole. So you agree that the mind is a whole, not to be identified with any of its parts? And that would mean that mind, in contrast to brain, isn't located in the space/time of brain events. BTW: That also excluding spinning wheels that change in space-time. > The brain doesn't cause the person to feel... In a related Post you wrote that the brain causes experiences. Now there is a person who feels these experiences. So where is the person in your model > So the neurobiologist should be investigating what we do to cause ourselves to be conscious, etc. Should and do. How we wake ourselves and put our selves to sleep is a research area familiar to me. Be clear. "We" doesn't refer to ones immediate awareness but everything that goes on peripherally in order to yield a behavioral directionality. This is not a causal account as found in physics and chemistry. It focuses not on what prior events make something happen but what anticipated outcomes give shape to behavior. bruce ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/