SW, As you may or may not have noticed, some of the issues regarding proper names are actually connected with some of the issues in my recent remarks of the grammar of pictures. More on that is soon to come but I thought I'd offer some comments here. I won't comment on Kripke or Russell (except to mention that Russell's work on proper names actually goes through various changes and does go beyond the theory of descriptions) but I will offer some comments and clarifications you may yet find helpful. "As I understand it, Wittgenstein's basic point is that people confuse the meaning of a name with its bearer." That's one confusion he addresses. There are others including remarks to those who do not identify the meaning of a name with its bearer. "He uses Moses and Excalibur as examples" While Excalibur is used as an example of problems attending to identifying the meaning of a name with its bearer, the Moses example is addressed to those who would wish to identify any single rule as governing the use of a proper name. "Because proper names (PNs) mean something apart from their bearer, they take on SENSE and are subject to the 'law' (forgive me) of meaning is use." (I was prepared to "forgive", recognizing a convenient shorthand alluding to Wittgenstein's remarks on meaning and use and "law" being used in a jocular fashion, but this seems to get you into trouble later, so perhaps my being pedantic about this is still necessary.) Actually, even when we focus on the bearer, this can yet be thought of in terms of use: 43. For a large class of cases--though not for all--in which we employ the word "meaning" it can be defined thus: the meaning of a word is its use in the language. And the meaning of a name is sometimes explained by pointing to its bearer. "But what are the senses of PNs? I have listed four. 'Moses' can mean: (a) a title or rule (the man who saved the Israelites); (b) a description (the old person with a grey beard who works down the road); (c) ostensibility (that person right there); or (d) a branding (Moses is DNA profile such-and-such, or Social Security Number 233-33-5953)." I'm not sure I see the point in sharply dividing (a) and (b). A title or role is readily assimilated to a description, e.g. "the person who held thus and such a position" is a description as much as "...who works down the road". And descriptions that are not titles can be transformed into titles, as in "the person who earned the highest grades in her class" and "class valedictorian". "The person who received the most votes", "the person who crossed the finish line first", and so forth. Likewise, "the person assigned thus and such Social security number" is a description. And if we did need to make finer distinctions here (it depends on our purposes in drawing these distinctions) we should attend to differences in how different "brands" (a misleading simile for various reasons) are used. A DNA profile may be used to assign a name to a bodily remains (particularly in war or after a disaster) or to identify a missing child found years later. Here it is being used as a rule for the use of the proper name. A military DNA database can be compared to a color chart, giving the rules for matching a particular color to the name of that color. But (and there are laws, regulations, and rulings governing this) that same databse can also be used in other ways, such as connecting a name with a definite description ("the father of so and so"), where we may or may not have one or more candidates to consider; or an indefinite description ("someone with increased susceptibility to such and such ailment"), where the name of the individual is not in question. With a criminal database, we may try to link the description, "the person (or one of the people) who raped so and so", with a name in the database. But of course we also take DNA sample of suspects in custody whose names are not in question. Likewise, parents of an abducted child may provide personal affects of their child to confirm the identity of someone who is found years later, whose name is in question. There are various connections made between names, descriptions, DNA, and putative bearers of names or descriptions. The (lawful) use of a Social Security number is a different matter. Possessing of the card, knowing the number, knowing the mother's maiden name, the place and date of birth, having additional photographic identification, and so forth, may all be considered. If I don't have the card or know the number, I may not be able to confirm my identity for various purposes. But if I do, I may yet be guilty of malfeasance if the number is not assigned to me. Typically, my right to use the name and the number stands (or falls) as a single issue. Where the SSN distinguishes one "Jane Smith" from another, the right of Jane to call herself or be called by that name is not in dispute. What may be in dispute are the legitimacy of various descriptions being ascribed to her, e.g. "the person who has accrued this much in benefits". "Therefore, PN's accurately exist as four BEHAVIORS." Be very careful here. Proper names are words. Using a proper name is a behavior. The practice of using proper names is an institution. And this practice is involves following rules. But when there are different rules applied to the use of the same proper name or the same word, this is not necessarily different behavior (as if when using a word, the user always were thinking of one rule or another). Having "a whole series of props in readiness," being "ready to lean on one if another should be taken from under me" (PI 79) does not imply that I always have one rule or another "in mind" when I used a proper name. Someone says to me: "Shew the children a game." I teach them gaming with dice, and the other says "I didn't mean that sort of game." Must the exclusion of the game with dice have come before his mind when he gave me the order? (PI, p.33) And if circumstances arise that lead me to use one "prop" or another, it does not follow that my behavior in initially using the name would have been different prior to being questioned. If a different question were asked, I should answer differently. And that would not mean that I was lying about what I was doing. The ability to appeal to different rules does not necessarily indicate different actual behavior. "One of the things that is strange about PN's is that only some of the senses seem to rule the bearer. That is, one could say that Moses did not exist if the story of Israelites is false, even though a man named 'Moses' to whom the story was attributed did, in fact, exist." One "could" say a great many things. What does it mean to say that a man named "Moses" did exist? That someone was named "Moses" but nothing in the story is true of him? That's as relevant here as a landscaper named "Jesus" (pardon the crude stereotype) is to the question of historicity of Jesus. When you add, "to whom the story was attributed", this prompts the question: What do we mean by this "Moses", about whom many false things were said, from any number of other people named "Moses"? And Wittgenstein does not say that some of the senses "rule the bearer". He rightly challenges that idea: I shall perhaps say: By "Moses" I understand the man who did what the Bible relates of Moses, or at any rate a good deal of it. But how much? Have I decided how much must be proved false for me to give up my proposition as false? Has the name "Moses" got a fixed and unequivocal use for me in all possible cases? (PI 79) If Bacon wrote the plays, then Shakespeare did not. Or if "Shakespeare" is Bacon's pseudonym, then Bacon is Shakespeare. But we believe other things about Shakespeare, such as that he had a career performing at The Globe. If these (and other beliefs) also turned out false, we could say "Shakespeare did not exist." We could also say that Bacon is Shakespeare, so Shakespeare did exist, but that many false beliefs had been attached to the pseudonym. And why should we expect that the rules would be prepared in advance to determine which would be correct? "It would be the same as saying 'George Washington was the man who could never tell a lie,' and learning that this is false -- he told many. And upon hearing of this, in your delusion, you might say, 'The George Washington I know doesn't exist.'" That would be hyperbole and of course such expressions have their use. But saying that George Washington did not exist in the sense that an archaeologist or hostorian might say that Moses did not would not be a matter of being disilusioned about any particular belief but rather finding that a great deal of military and political history was false. "He says that the meaning of PN's is variable DURING THEIR DEPLOYMENT." Yes. But I don't know where you're getting the idea that he also said that other senses were fixed. So my definition of "N" would perhaps be "the man of whom all this is true".--But if some point now proves false?--Shall I be prepared to declare the proposition "N is dead" false--even if it is only something which strikes me as incidental that has turned out false? But where are the bounds of the incidental?--If I had given a definition of the name in such a case, I should now be ready to alter it. (PI 79) "Now, what does Wittgenstein's view of PN's do to Russell? Here, the idea of the theory of descriptions is in trouble, right? Because, after Wittgenstein, you cannot say of 'Moses' that it refers to (a) an X; (b) its definition -- because, (1) meaning is use; (2) the bearer and PN are different; and (c) the definition is in flux by virtue of the way the PN language game exists." The Theory of Descriptions could be readily treated as providing a paradigm for rules explaining meaning as use, so (1) is a non sequitur. If it is a flawed paradigm, that is not because it cannot be treated as an explanation of use. Furthermore, even if it couldn't be so treated, Wittgenstein's remarks on meaning and use would not be in conflict because he explicitly says, "though not for all" (cases), and proper names could be viewed as an exception. Finally, ellipsis and joking references to "law" notwithstanding, PI 43 is not a thesis to be used to knock down other theses. It is a set of truisms indicating alternative ways of understanding questions about meaning that will hopefully reduce some temptations to proffer theses at all. (2) is very badly expressed. Of course the bearer and the name are different, but who would suggest otherwise? The name "George Washington" and the person George Washington couldn't be more different. That the meaning of the name and the bearer of the name are different is something Wittgenstein would emphasize. But not against the Theory of Descriptions. Treating names as abbreviated descriptions is not at all the same as equating the meaning of a name with the bearer of that name. The way that we may shift between using various descriptions in using a proper name would be a problem for some uses of the Theory of Descriptions, but not for others. And this can be expressed like this: I use the name "N" without a fixed meaning. (But that detracts as little from its usefulness, as it detracts from that of a table that it stands on four legs instead of three and so sometimes wobbles.) Should it be said that I am using a word whose meaning I don't know, and so am talking nonsense?--Say what you choose, so long as it does not prevent you from seeing the facts. (And when you see them there is a good deal that you will not say.) (PI 79) JPDeMouy ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/