--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kirby urner <kirby.urner@...> wrote: > > > Wittgenstein himself states that he came to "recognize grave mistakes" in > > the earlier work. > > > > Exactly. So the relationship of the PI to the TLP is like "this fixes that". > Presumably it "fixes" the "grave mistakes". Cayuse is convinced the mistake(s) was(were) confined to things like how he conceived language (a tool box now, not the mirror from then). But Cayuse fails to take account of the implications of this switch, i.e., the decision to use words, to speak about the concerns of philosophy, in a different way which follows from this recognition. In fact, the idea that one creates a ladder of nonsense up which to climb and then discards it makes no apparent sense since everytime one meant to scale those "heights", or wanted to get someone else to do so, one would have to recreate the nonsense all over again. But that cannot be done, once the nonsense is seen for what it is because then, in fact, one would have to have already climbed up. Paradox works fine for Zen but it is not the point of philosophy. As Wittgenstein realized, the point is to dissolve the puzzle, not prolong its power over us. > The earlier design pointed in the same direction but as a ladder, it > wasn't fool proof. The PI is more effective at liberating those who > do their own thinking than TLP was -- still difficult though (yet more > accessible). > "grave mistakes" he said and grave mistakes call for radical reassessment and change. SWM Group Home Page: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html Group Discussion Board: http://seanwilson.org/forum/ Google Archive: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs FreeList Archive: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs FreeList for September: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009 FreeList for August: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/08-2009 Group Creator's Page: http://seanwilson.org/ Today's Messages: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?SØ86f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=1&rng2=0&u?400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit¾gin+Search Messages From Last 3 Days: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?SØ86f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=3&rng2=0&u?400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit¾gin+Search This Week's Messages: http://seanwilson.org/forum/index.php?SØ86f18704524b9992bac8164354cd96&SQ=0&t=mnav&rng=7&rng2=0&u?400&forum_limiter=&btn_submit¾gin+Search Yahoo Archive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMzg0Z3FnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI4NjkzODY5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTYzMjIyNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNTE4NDE4MDc-