[Wittrs] Re: When is "brain talk" really dualism?
- From: kirby urner <kirby.urner@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:11:30 -0700
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM, swmaerske<SWMirsky@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I think Wittgenstein's way of approaching this is the correct one. The
> occurrence of subjectness is not "alien" at all, even if it is radically
> different from all the things known through it. Indeed this looks no
> stranger than the idea that the lense in a telescope (or any other part of
> the telescope) is not the same as the images seen through it. The lense is
> just a different part of the full gamut of things that make up the world.
>
We all have our interpretations of Wittgenstein of course. In my view,
his project was to blow name->object modeling of "how it works" out
of the water, in public as well as private space. It's only by seeing how
it doesn't work in public, that you get comfortable with it "not working"
in private (of course it works, it was just never trying to do what the
nominalists imagined it was trying to do i.e. pointing).
Recall that I've changed the meaning of nominalist in my namespace,
to mean those with the naive view supposedly expressed by St. Augustine
in the opening passage of the PI, but then he gets away with just making
his be about the pointing game i.e. we do have one (several), and Python
is a great example. St. Augustine's defenders have made it clear that
this was not some NeoPlatonic doctrine applied consistently throughout
his writings i.e. name->object modeling is not intrinsic to his theology.
Where pain is located is subject to gestalt switches as you know. Seeing
a man apparently empathetic, must be watching you closely, and then
realizing that's you, in a mirror, is an example of a kind of switch it's
easier to produce than to describe sometimes. Like when King's College
turns out to be "over there and not over there" (surprise). The more
standard example (re pain) is the "phantom limb" phenomenon, of
having a pain in one's leg without having that leg (or arm etc.). Various
grammars bear the workload, doctor patient engineers contributing to
the relevant namespaces as the technologies advance (philosophers
not so much?).
Kirby
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