--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "jrstern" <jrstern@...> wrote: > Can you really make an argument, or even tell a story, > use a language or talk about grammar, > "without logic"? We use the word "logic" with different meanings. Sometime it means listing explicit premises and making a deduction from those premises. At other times it just means making sense. I was using "logic" for the first of those, and you seem to be using it for the other. Sorry for the confusion. Regards, Neil