Buddha already proved that mind is the output of brain.Even Hindu philosophy says the mind is physical.Input and output of language depends on the brain.Eyes look at but word recognize either the feeling of subject or utility of the object.Knowledge functioning both inside of the head and outside that was termed as known.thank you sekhar --- On Thu, 17/9/09, BruceD <blroadies@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: BruceD <blroadies@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [Wittrs] Re: Mind is Brain dependent To: wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, 17 September, 2009, 6:56 AM --- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "swmaerske" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > I am maintaining that phenomenal consciousness, > the experience of being a subject (having experiences) is explainable in terms of brain dependence. Everything turns on what sort of explanation you have mind. Explanation of what? For example: If you want to explain why patient A has lost his memory, and then find evidence of brain damage, you have explained the memory loss in terms of mind dependence. Can't imagine anyone would disagree. > My main interest, thus, is to determine if minds can be accounted for in physical terms. If you mean that the patient's struggle with memory, his compensation and fabrication, then "No", physical terms will not do. I take it for granted (and I assume so do you) that all day long the patients experience is simultaneous with brain activity, if brain activity would cease, so would mind. But if we just looked at brain activity alone, we would have no sense of what was going on with him. His mind cannpt be accounted for in physical terms. In fact, we find out the significance of the brain activity by matching it with the mental. We work downward, not upward, so to speak. Is it your contention that one day we will have mapped every single mental event with some unique brain event and then give a full description of mind in physical terms? Is "every single mental and brain event" an intelligible concept? bruce WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009 Add whatever you love to the Yahoo! India homepage. Try now! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew