Josh, concerning: > When I have a sufficient explanation of computation, > I'll let you know what I think about whether cognition > is computation. What more do you need by way of an explanation of computation (as done by computers) than what you already have courtesy of the the theory of Turing Machines, General Recursive Functions etc., and the mechanics of solid state devices, etc... ?? What remains mysterious, unexplained? How they "really" work? What is "really" "going on"? Well what is that to an avowed nominalist? ...rather than a Platonist! (What more do you need by way of an explanation of how motorbikes work than Newtonian mechanics, and a bit rudimentary chemistry, electrics and materials science? A GUT from Murray Gell-Mann?) Or is it just that computers throw you into conceptual confusion? ... because you feel they must explain "something more" and insist on trying to derive your understanding of that something and everything else related to rules and normativity from these machines? Because some of us talk as if they follow rules and engage in normative and sentient activities? Children talk about their dolls as being happy, sad, hungry, etc ... we talk about our cars as refusing to start or trying to get up hills, etc... Do we need to explain happines, stubbornness, striving... by reference to dolls or motor cars? -- Rob WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009