Here's a House Finch that's very similar to Sidney's bird... http://www.whatbird.com/Forums/forums/storage/1410/192148/Male%20House%20Finch...06-23-09%20005_edited.jpg and here is a nice side by side of the two species..helps put key id points into perspective... http://www.flickr.com/photos/27254860@N04/4361676211/in/pool-1023278@N22/ Steven Lubahn Cudahy > Shucks. I may have had a beer in me when I whipped that ID off. > Here's why I called it a House Finch. He's almost too red for a Purple > Finch. I disagree with Chris that brilliant red color is a good ID mark for > purple finch. They can both be pretty red, but if it's a Purple Finch I > suspect there's a little bit of shift here either from the camera or my > laptop - I've never seen a Purple Finch as red as the birds in Sid's > photos. The bill shape is suspect for purple finch - they have conical > bills with an even culmen - house finches are more rounded, usually. The > face pattern is also inconsistent with Purple Finch - they usually show a > strong malar stripe, a mustache of sorts. It shows up as a LIGHTER > purple/red bar coming down from the bill. Sid's bird has nothing here, or > if anything it's a blotch. While it does have a brown eye line, this is > consistent with both species. It also has a brownish cap, which is > consistent with House Finch but not Purple. > > I think I agree with Chris that the bill is pretty big. I also agree that > it isn't very (or much at all) streaky. That appears to me to be the > biggest problem with calling this a House Finch. Googling for House Finch > images, I can find very few that lack streaking on the sides. But the angle > ain't that great. > > So. I still tend toward calling this a House Finch. I'd be curious about > other people's thoughts, and perhaps about whether folks have photos of > unstreaky house finches. > > If I got this wrong (and I won't accept being wrong by vote, you'll have to > convince me!) I certainly will feel foolish. I thought I had these two > better pegged. But that's the fun part - I've been birding since I was > ittle, and I'm still learning a ton of new stuff. > > Jesse > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx>wrote: > >> Tom and all, >> For reference purposes, Sid's photos are of a Purple Finch. The bird in >> Sid's photos has a larger bill than would be expected on a House Finch, >> lack of any streaking at all, brilliant red coloring all the way down >> through the chest, flanks and belly, and, most importantly, has a brown >> line through the eye which accentuates the red supercilium. I've found this >> combination of field marks to be highly reliable when identifying Purple vs >> House Finch. >> >> >> >> >> Happy Birding! --Chris W, Richland County Interpretive Naturalist >> Mississippi Explorer Cruises >> http://mississippiexplorer.com/chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://swallowtailedkite.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.nabirding.com/http://www.flickr.com/photos/swallowtailphoto >> >> "The beauty and genius of a work of art may be reconceived, though its >> first material expression be destroyed; a vanished harmony may yet again >> inspire the composer; but when the last individual of a race of living >> things breathes no more, another heaven and another earth must pass before >> such a one can be again." >> >> (From William Beebe's "The Bird: Its Form and Function," 1906) >> >>> From: tcwood729@xxxxxxxxx >>> To: Wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [wisb] RFI:Finch ID >>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:17:36 -0600 >>> >>> Sidney Hamm's last post about the finch he photgraphed at Bong has me >>> realizing I have a lot to learn about Finch ID. >>> Because I live in the southern part of the state, I see very few Purple >>> Finches during the year, and I'm usually looking up at them. Those of you >>> who >>> live in the northern tier of counties probably see them regularly at your >>> feeders. Do any of the Purple Finches you see have as much brown on the >>> crown and cheeks as the bird in Sidney's photo? >>> The House Finches I see around here all have streaking on the underparts >> and >>> this is a major field mark mentioned in the field guides. So, conversely, >>> does anyone see House Finches with unstreaked underparts as seen on the >>> photo? >>> I find color to be the least useful ID mark with bird photos on my >> laptop. >>> Depending on how I have the screen tilted I can make the bird look >>> anywhere from the raspberry red of a Purple Finch to the brighter red of >> a >>> House Finch. This is due to the characteristics of an LCD display. >>> The bill looks large for a House Finch, but perhaps that is because >>> Sidney's lens puts the bird right in our face. We can't see the tail >> notch >>> which would help with the ID. >>> Thanks in advance for any advice. >>> >>> Thomas Wood, Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County >>> >>> #################### >>> You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin >> Birding Network (Wisbirdn). >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: >> //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn >>> To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: >> //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn >>> Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn >>> >>> >> >> #################### >> You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin >> Birding Network (Wisbirdn). >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: >> //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn >> To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: >> //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn >> Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn >> >> >> > > > -- > Jesse Ellis > Post-doctoral Researcher > Dept. of Zoology > University of Wisconsin - Madison > Madison, Dane Co, WI > > > #################### > You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding > Network (Wisbirdn). > To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: > //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn > To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: > //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn > Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn > > #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). 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