I'd vote for a Juv Goshawk as well. Check these images I took a couple years back and make your own comparisons. http://www.pbase.com/flashtofinish/image/72559201 juv goshawk http://www.pbase.com/flashtofinish/image/89663102 juv coopers Good Birding, Terri Welisek Sherwood, WI Calumet County -----Original Message----- From: wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john romano Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:09 PM To: Wisconsin Bird Net; paul.sparks@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [wisb] Hawk in Glendale ( coopers or gos ) I am not the one person who responded to Paul with a Goshawk ID. However the photos show an obvious white eyeline on the raptor. Both the Sibley and the Peterson guides make a note of the supercillium as an identifying mark for a junvenile Goshawk and not for the Coopers Hawk.  So I am wondering why this raptor would not be a Goshawk junenile instead of a Coopers Hawk.  John Romano Madison Wi  --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Paul Sparks <paul.sparks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Paul Sparks <paul.sparks@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [wisb] Re: Hawk in Glendale To: "Wisconsin Bird Net" <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 5:21 PM Just an update for everyone. Most people think the bird is a female Cooper's Hawk. I did get one person that thought it was a Northern Goshawk, and that was in the back of my mind and if I'm honest that's what I had hoped it was. No matter what the bird is, I was glad I saw it and hope it comes back for better photos. Paul Sparks Glendale, Milwaukee County On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Paul Sparks <paul.sparks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This morning I walked out into my backyard with my camera to see if there > were any good birds back there. Yesterday I had seen a couple warblers of > undetermined species and a Northern Waterthrush feeding in the grass. > Immediately I saw a good sized hawk sitting on the bridge that crosses the > creek, which comes off the Milwaukee river near Kletsch Park. I thought it > was a Red-tailed Hawk because of the size, but after looking at the photos, > I’m pretty sure that isn’t the case. Here are 3 photos showing different > parts of the bird. The bird was sitting in the shade with a very bright > background, so the photos aren’t that great but you should be able to get > the idea. I’d say Cooper’s Hawk, but it seemed really big. I’d love some > feedback on this on what the ID is on this guy. > Here's a link to the photos with the same description as above; > http://photogsparks.wordpress.com/ > > Paul Sparks > Glendale, Milwaukee County > > > > -- www.paulcsparks.com #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn.