[wisb] Re: Draining of Wangness and Harvey Rd Lake in Columbia Co
- From: Jesse Ellis <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ronbeeguy@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:21:12 -0500
It's also worth pointing out that even remotely raising the idea of legal
action in this case, unless he very clearly illegally tiled, will probably
render the site useless for birders and possibly conservation, and would go
a long way to destroying our (birders') reputation in the area.
My guess as well is that the Nature Conservancy will not be interested
unless it's relatively pristine and/or harbors a variety of rare native
species. It would probably be more in the province of a local bird
conservation organization to think about dealing with the situation.
Jesse Ellis
Madison
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Ron Beeguy <ronbeeguy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> If the farmer is correct that the land has been farmed for all but 2 years
> of the last 30, then the land is almost certainly not a "wetland," despite
> what it may look like now.
>
>
>
> That doesn't mean it isn't a loss for birds and the local ecology, but from
> a legal standpoint, the farmer is probably within his rights to drain it and
> farm it.
>
> > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:53:19 -0700
> > From: johnafdem@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Draining of Wangness and Harvey Rd Lake in Columbia
> Co
> > To: korducki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; jjprestby@xxxxxxx; wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Here's a webpage that can come in handy if one has any questions about
> wetlands that are being converted to non-wetlands. Generally speaking, it's
> a very expensive error for a farmer or developer to convert a wetland,
> involving fines and restoring the wetland.
> > http://www.wisconsinwetlands.org/protectingFAQ.htm#determine
> >
> > John Afdem
> > Okauchee, WI
> > www.johnafdem.com
> > http://jbravo.exposuremanager.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Korducki <korducki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: jjprestby@xxxxxxx; Wisbird <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 8:37:59 PM
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Draining of Wangness and Harvey Rd Lake in Columbia
> Co
> >
> > During the late 80's the pond on the west side of Harvey between Wangness
> > and DM was a nice flooded marshy area. It even had a King Rail one
> summer.
> > The farmer then installed drain tiles, I heard, and the area was dry for
> > many years afterwards. I was surprised how much the area flooded after
> the
> > record snows and a very wet summer last year. It was more like a lake.
> Not
> > sure what the future holds for it now.
> >
> > Mark Korducki, New Berlin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tom prestby" <jjprestby@xxxxxxx>
> > To: "Wisbird" <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:24 PM
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Draining of Wangness and Harvey Rd Lake in Columbia
> Co
> >
> >
> > > This is very unfortunate. Not only has it attracted scores of migrants
> but
> > > it has been one of the premier locations for nesting Pied-billed
> Grebes,
> > > Coots, Ruddy Ducks, and possibly a few other species of ducks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because of the geology of the location, I would think that a snowy
> winter
> > > or wet spring will almost fill it up again anyways no matter how hard
> the
> > > farmer trys to drain it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Prestby
> > >
> > > Paradise, MI
> > >
> > >> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:11:56 -0700
> > >> From: cajunbirder@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [wisb] Draining of Wangness and Harvey Rd Lake in Columbia Co
> > >> To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >> The farmer who owns the land that has been under water the last 2
> years
> > >> that has attracted just about every possible shorebird and Eared
> Grebes
> > >> and all other sorts or waterfowl, told me today that he has been in
> the
> > >> process of draining the lake/pond. He says he needs to farm it and in
> the
> > >> last 30 years, the last 2 years are the only years he has not.
> > >>
> > >> I wish I would have had the where-with-all to ask him if it would make
> > >> financial sense if he sold the flooded areas to the Nature Conservancy
> or
> > >> Madison Audubon. The numbers of waterfowl and shorebirds in this
> location
> > >> has been phenominal. But I was told " this will be all drained so
> don't
> > >> get used to birding here".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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