I've been sort of biting my tongue (unusual for me, I know), because I wanted to see where this would go on its own. I think Andy's post in particular summed up my feelings pretty well. While I felt Chris did make some valid points, I was extremely disappointed about how he expressed them. There is never call to attack someone just because you disagree with them (our partisan political climate not withstanding.) As many of you know, I usually do quite a few CBCs every year, but I came to it late. For whatever reason, I never did one until about five or six years ago. It quickly became sort of addictive, and I was up to nine of them last year, spread throughout the period. Yes, you get some "better" birds on the counts earlier in the period, and simple demographics account for the larger counts having many more participants (more available people = more volunteers.) And yes, it is harder to get folks to commit on a Sunday (especially during football season.) Having the two major holidays on the weekends this year will hurt participation, there's no question about that. Next year will be better (due to leap year, the holidays will be on Mon/Tues.) And the major counts almost are forced to pick a weekend, due to so many participants having to work (which is my case this year - due to retirements, I'm the only one left in my department, hence I'll be doing fewer CBCs than usual.) I'd also like to point out that the major urban center counts NEED more participants, since most of what you're doing is looking for bird feeders in yards. My Madison CBC section is much smaller than any of my other count sections, but it's virtually all walking (usually 6-8 miles, depending on how much help I can find.) It seems counterintuitive to be looking for more help on a count that has the highest participation rate in the state (I believe even higher than Milwaukees',) but I actually need more counters this year on my section (especially since my balky knee may preclude me from doing very much of it.) A rural count with very few roads and not much public land can easily be adequately covered by 5-6 parties, although it's always preferable to have at least two people per party. I've been doing the Waterloo count for several years now, and my overall numbers more than doubled when Jim "Hawkeye" Schwarz joined me (granted, he is an exceptional spotter, but even a less-keen extra pair of eyes can greatly increase your party efficiency.) SO, if you're at all on the fence about doing a count, I'd urge you to try it. You don't have to be an "expert" birder - you're probably going to be talking about 25-30 species. Yes, you may get some ID challenges, but that's the fun part! There is no penalty for not being sure about a bird or two - mark it down with a question mark and write down some descriptive notes as best you can (or better yet, take a photo!) And if you're still a little intimidated, you can often be matched up with a more experienced birder/counter who will probably be happy to have the extra spotter along (I know I would, and I may need a driver this year on some of my counts... backchannel me if interested and we'll talk.) Now, let's keep it clean, and get back to birding. Gotta be still more rarities out there... here's hoping the King Eider stuck around overnight. Peter Fissel Wisbirdn Monitor Guy & addicted CBCer Madison WI #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn