Angus Macdonald <> wrote on Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:03 PM: Yikes! Good thing we don't have any real storagecenters here... 8-) > The ones we've bought recently (300GB FC) have a list price of over £4000uk > EACH! We don't pay anything like that but it's still scary and a very good > incentive to carry on paying the maintenance charges. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: 20 September 2006 15:49 > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 > > > Angus Macdonald <> wrote on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:21 PM: > > I see you've dealt a bit with those rare creatures (in my world at least). > > The most expensive I've bought so far was a 170GB SCSI3-160 drive a few > years > ago. It does still run, but was to small for what we needed it to. Some time > ago we bought a used HP server with a 6x 32GB raid array. I had exchange > those > for 6x 73GB SCSI3-360 SCA drives. Those six drives still cost less than that > single 170GB drive. In this case this was RAID as it was meant to be, > relatively inexpensive. 8-) > > >> I agree it's a small issue but I'm feeling pedantic today ;-) >> >> "Redundant Array of Inexpensive (or Independent - have you ever bought a FC >> drive?) Drives" does kind of infer a degree of redundancy to me. Maybe we >> should use Fragile Array of Inexpensive Drives (FAID) instead. For fibre >> channel it should be Fragile Array of Expensive Drives (FAED). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: 20 September 2006 14:35 >> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >> >> >> Beckett, William (Bill) <> wrote on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:59 PM: >> >> That depends on what meaning you put in a "stripe set". A striped set may >> be both fault tolerant (raid5 isn't it?) or not (raid0), both are still >> striped sets and thus raids. I think we're splitting hairs, into very >> small fragments, raid hair fragments. ;-) >> >> >>> All perspective. My lean would be towards Angus' interpretation. My take >>> was redundancy was ~ equivalent to fault tolerant. Obviously a stripe set >>> is not so it is odd that this would be termed "RAID". >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:52 AM >>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >>> >>> Angus Macdonald <> wrote on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:45 AM: >>> >>> It's probably becuase you use a *striped* set of disks in an array. Raid0 >>> is IMO a "real" raid which focuses on performance rather than security >>> (which is probably more common). Blame IETF or IEEC or some such. ;-) >>> >>> >>>> I've often wondered why RAID-0 is classed as RAID at all. Doesn't the >>>> R stand for "redundant"? Surely there is no redundancy in RAID-0. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> Sent: 20 September 2006 07:43 >>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >>>> >>>> >>>> Weston, Eric A CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA <> wrote on Tuesday, September 19, >>>> 2006 6:18 PM: >>>> >>>> Clear and to the point. Thx. >>>> >>>> >>>>> A spanned volume is created from free disk space that is linked >>>>> together from multiple disks. You can extend a spanned volume onto a >>>>> maximum of 32 disks. A spanned volume cannot be mirrored and is not >>>>> fault-tolerant. >>>>> >>>>> A striped volume is a volume whose data is interleaved across two or >>>>> more physical disks. The data on this type of volume is allocated >>>>> alternately and evenly to each of the physical disks. A striped >>>>> volume cannot be mirrored or extended and is not fault-tolerant. >>>>> Striping is also known as RAID-0. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can add a drive to a spanned volume, but not a RAID-0 >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:23 AM >>>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >>>>> >>>>> David <> wrote on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:19 PM: >>>>> >>>>> I don't get you. First you say it's possible, and then not? Which is >>>>> it?? >>>>> >>>>> TIA. >>>>> >>>>>> Sorin Srbu escribió: >>>>>>> Really? For sure? I just plug it in and add the new drive to the >>>>>>> array using the disk managment mmc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> *From:* windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Perez, >>>>>>> Ricardo V >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:46 PM >>>>>>> *To:* windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Cc:* windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Raid0 mean " No RAID" then you can add disks without issues >>>>>>> Please be sure that you don´t have RAID 0+1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *"Sullivan, Glenn" >>>>>>> <GSullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>@SMTP@Exchange* >>>>>>> Sent by: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> 09/19/2006 08:35 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please respond to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx@SMTP@Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To >>>>>>> >>>>>>> windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx@SMTP@Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [windows2000] Re: Windows software raid0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've never seen Software RAID expand without a rebuild, IME. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good Disaster recovery Test I guess... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA >>>>>>> David Clark Company Inc. >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sorin >>>>>>> Srbu Posted At: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:26 AM >>>>>>> Posted To: Windows 2000 Conversation: [windows2000] Windows >>>>>>> software raid0 Subject: [windows2000] Windows software raid0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Suppose I have a 2x disk software raid0-array on a >>>>>>> win2k3-computer. Would it be possible to add a third disk to the >>>>>>> already existent raid0-array w/o losing any data? Or is a >>>>>>> rebuild necessary? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> no, you must rebuild the partition. >>>>>> imposible without rebuilding data...... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ***************************** >>>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >>>> Windows Vista Links, list options >>>> and info are available at: >>>> http://www.VistaPop.com >>>> ***************************** >>>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the >>>> below link. >>>> >>>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm >>>> ***************************** >>>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >>>> Windows Vista Links, list options >>>> and info are available at: >>>> http://www.VistaPop.com >>>> ***************************** >>>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the >>>> below link. >>>> >>>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm >>> >>> >>> ***************************** >>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >>> Windows Vista Links, list options >>> and info are available at: >>> http://www.VistaPop.com >>> ***************************** >>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation >>> mode or view archives use the below link. >>> >>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm >>> ***************************** >>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >>> Windows Vista Links, list options >>> and info are available at: >>> http://www.VistaPop.com >>> ***************************** >>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation >>> mode or view archives use the below link. >>> >>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm >> >> >> ***************************** >> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >> Windows Vista Links, list options >> and info are available at: >> http://www.VistaPop.com >> ***************************** >> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation >> mode or view archives use the below link. >> >> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm >> ***************************** >> New Site from The Kenzig Group! >> Windows Vista Links, list options >> and info are available at: >> http://www.VistaPop.com >> ***************************** >> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation >> mode or view archives use the below link. >> >> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > > ***************************** > New Site from The Kenzig Group! > Windows Vista Links, list options > and info are available at: > http://www.VistaPop.com > ***************************** > To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > mode or view archives use the below link. > > http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > ***************************** > New Site from The Kenzig Group! > Windows Vista Links, list options > and info are available at: > http://www.VistaPop.com > ***************************** > To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > mode or view archives use the below link. > > http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm ***************************** New Site from The Kenzig Group! 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