Well Jim, you run circles around me as far as computers are concerned, but the one thing I think I have is the knowledge that, what you are going through with your ex isn't unique. I know you're probably saying "No sh!t! Let me try and explain. I divorced in 95, my kids were 9 and 6 at the time. As with most custody cases here in Ca. of course, mom got custody. I had (key word) visitation rights. Didn't happen, so I went back to court to have them enforced, and through the magic of Tv as they say, those "rights" were taken away. Should have heard the lies the ex were swewing forth. saying that my daughter didn't know me and so forth. Anyway, as hard it was, people told me that I needed to focus on the kids, screw the ex. Do what's right for the kids and everything will work out, no matter what the ex does or says. Well, over time things did get better, in fact me and my son (oldest of the two) have a get together planned. My daughter is getting to know her family on my side, and things ARE way better! Granted I missed a LOT of thier growing up, school years and the such, but they know who their dad is, and they know how much I love them, no matter what their mom said about me. They saw it as it was. Kids don't like to hear one parent bad mouth the other. My ex played that game, I didn't. It's starting to pay off. I still have some way to go, and there's still a LOT of anger inside, but not as much as it use to be, so while I'm sure it is difficult and heart wrenching to see your daughter get put through the wringer, just treat her like you normally would, don't speak ill of her mom in front or to her. She's old enough and she'll see (if she doesn't already) what is the truth and who actually has her best interest at heart. Good Luck to you and if you need a place to vent or maybe get another opinion or what have you, you're welcome to join this list called Custody Issues custodyissues-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Just my two cents! On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:44:16 -0400, "Jim Kenzig http://thin.net"; <jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> had this to say: JKh> I'm going through h_ll right now..literally. I am embattled in a good JKh> versus evil confrontation with my ex wife. She claims to be a witch and JKh> pagan. (yeah the woman that was on Jerry Springer, Don't ask.) She is JKh> trying to convert my 14 year old daughter to her beliefs. I'll not go JKh> into every one of the details but this has been why I have been absent JKh> from the lists over the last few weeks. After 14 years of not having JKh> anything to do with the children she has returned to try and take away JKh> custody from me. The lies and the hatred in her that are being passed JKh> onto my children are spiritually and emotionally draining every ounce of JKh> energy I can muster. I haven't been able to see them now for the last JKh> month since this started. I can only imagine the emotional scars they JKh> will have from this. We all know how the story ends though..good always JKh> triumphs over evil. But I ask you, all my friends from over the years to JKh> say a prayer for me to whatever God you believe in so that I can stay JKh> strong in this fight and prevail.. especially please think of me and JKh> send me all the positive energy you can next Monday the 12th. I'll need JKh> all the help I can get. JKh> JKh> Thanks, JKh> Jim ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor StressedPuppy.com Games Feeling stressed out? Check out our games to relieve your stress. http://www.StressedPuppy.com ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm