[windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
- From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:51:29 +0000
Isn't this where I came in a couple days ago? I was the Director of Technology
for a smalll district where we had one of these. When I left, they brought him
on-board to redesign the school website. Needless to say, it's now been
re-redesigned.
Someone has to set boundaries, otherwise you're just trying to herd cats.
Richard Eells
> From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:45:58 +0200
>
> "Boys will be boys"? I don't think the vice principal quite gets it either,
> or so it would seem... At least that's not the way it works with IT. Who know
> where it will stop unless somebody puts the foot down, as it were.
>
> --
> /Sorin
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
> >bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:31 PM
> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >
> >The vice principal doesnt seem qucite keen to push this forward, I am having
> >to write
> >up a report and hand it to the ICT director. I think is it up to them to
> >decide what
> >happens next
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:36:54 PM
> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >
> >I would certainly becoming up on time to take the toy away. A brief
> >discussion with his parent(s) might be an option too.
> >
> >2009/3/31 Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> You can never win this, with less than banning this kid totally, remove
> >> his account
> >etc. Even then, he'll use somebody else's account instead. If he won't take
> >the hint, I
> >don't know what else you *can* do. Had the parents and police been informed?
> >If
> >that's what it takes... 8-/
> >>
> >> --
> >> /Sorin
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
> >>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:18 PM
> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>
> >>>Thanks guys. This is such a major issue, even after the little brat has
> >>>been
> >warned,
> >>>he got onto the next computer and started again. Taking up our time
> >>>monitoring
> >him,
> >>>we know that even with restrictions on his account he has access to other
> >students
> >>>accounts. We have decided to lockdown his account to only the time he has
> >>>ICT
> >>>related lessons which is 6 time a week for about 1 hr. Even with that he is
> >spending
> >>>time trying to get in. Anyway tha ballte continues.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>>Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>
> >>>From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:42:00 PM
> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>
> >>>Sorin,
> >>>
> >>>My experience has been similiar with that age group ;-) however, that's
> >>>not what
> >I'm
> >>>referring to.
> >>>
> >>>Most of these young wiz kids/hackers have already figured out how to
> >>>network
> >>>computers. I don't think you could give them a "playground" that would
> >>>satisfy
> >their
> >>>curiosity as to how "real" networks run. And their desire to access
> >>>information
> >they
> >>>have no right to access.
> >>>
> >>>I'm interested in networks, too. That doesn't mean I can hack my way
> >>>around my
> >>>employer's network. Not if I want to keep my job.
> >>>
> >>>Richard
> >>>
> >>>> From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:27 +0200
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess a nudge in the "proper" direction is all you can do. The rest is
> >>>> up to
> >them.
> >>>8-)
> >>>>
> >>>> I've worked as a teacher with pupils age 14-16 for about two years at a
> >>>> school. I
> >>>haven't met anyone that knows anything about a career plan, much less a
> >>>pupil
> >that
> >>>listens to anything a grown-up suggests about something that's years ahead
> >>>in
> >the
> >>>future. Their attention-span is minutes ahead of the moment, if that. I'm
> >>>generalish
> >I
> >>>know, but it's still a rather significant fact. ;-)
> >>>> --
> >>>> /Sorin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>>> >From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
> >>>> >bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> >>>> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
> >>>> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>> >
> >>>> >True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel their
> >>>> >ability in
> >>>the
> >>>> >right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a talent
> >>>> >which we
> >can
> >>>help
> >>>> >harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a meaningful
> >>>> >career
> >in
> >>>the
> >>>> >future. What we tend to see is raw talent, unproductive and
> >>>> >mis-directed.
> >>>> >This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he doesnt
> >>>> >know
> >what.
> >>>> >This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction, and be
> >>>> >better
> >>>informed
> >>>> >when he makes his choice.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with seasoned
> >Hackers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Thanks
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Patrick
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >
> >>>> >From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM
> >>>> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>> >
> >>>> >The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by adults,
> >>>> >the chase
> >>>loses
> >>>> >its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them to hack
> >>>> >this and
> >>>this
> >>>> >computer and find a file containing this particular text, might set
> >>>> >them off.
> >Kinda'
> >>>like
> >>>> >a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as always. They might
> >>>> >use
> >the
> >>>> >same techniques to hack you sharp production network, "just to see if
> >>>> >it's
> >>>possible".
> >>>> >;-)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >/Sorin
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
> >>>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> >>>> >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM
> >>>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his final
> >exams. I
> >>>am
> >>>> >>begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem to
> >>>> >>have about
> >3
> >>>or 4
> >>>> >>kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we know,
> >>>> >>and I am
> >>>> >thinking
> >>>> >>of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them
> >>>> >>chanel thier
> >gift
> >>>> >>constructively.
> >>>> >>I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get them
> >>>> >>to play
> >>>and
> >>>> >>reaaly focusing and directing thier intelligent on good. Not sure how
> >>>> >>the
> >>>principals
> >>>> >>would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Patrick
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>________________________________
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM
> >>>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>How old kid(s) are we speaking?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>--
> >>>> >>/Sorin
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>> >>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
> >>>> >>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> >>>> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM
> >>>> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
> >>>> >>>suggestions
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let us
> >>>> >>>in on
> >some
> >>>of
> >>>> >>his
> >>>> >>>tricks.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by being able
> >>>> >>>to
> >access
> >>>> >>the
> >>>> >>>Temp Internet files.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs a
> >>>> >>>local profile
> >for
> >>>> >>>him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users accounts.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>5. He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/>
> ><http://command.com/>
> >>><http://command.com/>
> >>>> ><http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of
> >>>> >>cmd.exe).
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy?
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Anyway, just thought to share.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Thanks
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Patrick
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>________________________________
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM
> >>>> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
> >>>> >>>suggestions
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you.
> >>>> >>>Jim Kenzig
> >>>> >>>Blog: http://www.techblink.com
> >>>> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
> >>>> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Hi Jim,
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case to
> >>>> >>>push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you
> >>>> >>>try to
> >>>make
> >>>> >>>things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they do
> >>>> >>>not
> >>>> >understand
> >>>> >>>what the consequences could be if enforced.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Really annoying.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Thanks
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Patrick
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>________________________________
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
> >>>> >>>suggestions
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer
> >>>> >>>hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to
> >>>> >>>be
> >>>illegal
> >>>> >and
> >>>> >>>you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the
> >>>> >>>computer
> >>>may
> >>>> >be
> >>>> >>>enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper logon
> >privacy
> >>>> >>>message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click.
> >>>> >>> Here is ours:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND
> >>>> >>>ACTIVITIES ONLY!
> >>>> >>> Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic
> >>>> >>> audits
> >>>> >>> The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT
> >>>> >>>considered private.
> >>>> >>> The organization may access any users accounts or communications.
> >>>> >>> Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all
> >>>> >>>CCPL Policies and Rules regarding
> >>>> >>> computer and Internet use and security.
> >>>> >>> OK
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> This should cover you legally at least.
> >>>> >>> Regards
> >>>> >>> Jim Kenzig
> >>>> >>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/>
> ><http://www.techblink.com/>
> >>>> ><http://www.techblink.com/>
> >>>> >><http://www.techblink.com/>
> >>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
> >>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton
> >>>> >>><berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the
> >>>> >>>SAM.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Quite clever really, but a little frustrating.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
> >>>> >>> <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> > Scheduled task can run in System context & allow
> >>>> >>>someone to launch a cmd
> >>>> >>> > prompt or something with basically full control of the
> >>>> >>>system.
> >>>> >>> >
> >>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >>> > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>> > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> >>>> >>>Of Sorin Srbu
> >>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM
> >>>> >>> > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>> > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
> >>>> >>>network - suggestions
> >>>> >>> >
> >>>> >>> > Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing,
> >>>> >>>what's that about? Thx.
> >>>> >>> > --
> >>>> >>> > /Sorin
> >>>> >>> >
> >>>> >>> >
> >>>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>>> >>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>>[mailto:windows2000-
> >>>> >>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
> >>>> >>> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM
> >>>> >>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
> >>>> >>>network - suggestions
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >>Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to
> >>>> >>>date. (That's the
> >>>> >>> >>one that caught me)
> >>>> >>> >
> >>>> >>> >
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> >>>
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