On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 17:28, James A. Robinson wrote: > > > It's just because I am a little bit curious -> > > Do you know ( average ) how many people are using wily ? > > (Download statistic ) > > I doubt downloads == real users, or is even close. =) I know I downloaded > it years ago, and didn't grok it at all (i.e., didn't use it). It wasn't > until I started reading all the Plan 9 documents that I started using > wily, and I had to really force myself to explore the new way of doing > things instead of just starting up emacs for complicated tasks. I'd have the same suspicion. I was talking offline with Oz about wily being included with things like Debian, but I can imagine most users being scared off by it when they first see it. I get the feeling that acme and it's tools are set up in such a way under Plan 9 that it's probably not too difficult for a new user to pick up once they have the basic principles under their belt, and quickly becomes compelling. I don't think wily ever quite got to that level of polish. To take an example, I seem to remember that Plan 9 has (had?) a set of acme specific helpers like "agrep", which basically did 'grep -n' with the right environment. wily offers no such help out of the box, and unless you'd read the Plan 9 papers you probably wouldn't see that that's how the problem should be solved. I think another problem might be mice with wheels instead of middle buttons: it makes the B1B2 chord feel awkward because you're trying to press something that's not really a button. I had thought about trying to employ the wheel somehow, but no obvious mapping presented itself: B1-scroll-up for cut perhaps? Worse still is having a laptop with a two-button trackpad. Perhaps we should bite the bullet and support ^X, ^C and ^V :-( -Mark.