Actually, you use CreateFile to create the filter and get its handle. Get instantiate a pin and get its handle you use KsCreatePin and pass the filter handle in as one of the arguments. If you refer to the WDK or MSDN it will give you the info you need to create the pin. Ken From: wdmaudiodev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdmaudiodev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:44 AM To: wdmaudiodev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [wdmaudiodev] Re: silly question about pin property and filter property Yong Liu wrote: I am new to WDM audio driver, and I am puzzled in using filter property and pin property in developing the driver. Hope I can get help here. I want to communicate with the driver from user mode application through IOCTL_KS_PROPERTY. In the application, I used setupdixxx and createfile to get the handle to the driver, then used deviceiocontrol to set the property of the pin. In the driver, I declared the automation table in pin descriptor. But calling to deviceiocontrol failed. In the document of DDK, it is said "When a client sends a KS property request (that is, an IOCTL_KS_PROPERTY I/O-control IRP) to a filter handle or pin handle, the KS system driver ( ks.sys) delivers the request to the port driver for the filter object or pin object." I am wondering in my application, I only get the filter handle through setupdixxx and createfile, so the request could not be delivered to pin object, is that right? If so, how can I get the handle to the pin or send the request to the pin object? It's not a silly question, but it's a somewhat complicated one. CreateFile gets you the WDM device object, not the filter or pin. The standard Win32 APIs don't know anything about kernel streaming. In order to talk to the pin, someone has to have asked the device to create a filter, then asked the filter to create pins, and presumably hooked them up in a graph somewhere. The usual way for an application to get in touch with the filter or pin is as part of a DirectShow filter graph. Ksproxy will wrap your driver and make its KS filters and pins appear as DirectShow filters and pins. You find the capture source in your filter graph, find its output pin, and use the IKsProperty COM interface to send the IRP. How are you using the audio driver? -- Tim Roberts, timr@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:timr@xxxxxxxxx> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.