Hey Steve,
I just got a response back from one of the Tech support agents.
Here’s what they said along with my reply.
Hello Panos, thanks for getting back to me. I was trying to prove a point when
addressing a update. Things change in regards to the updates, and this makes it
harder fore the scrips as they are being created.
So I hope you will pass my emails on to your IT department.
From: Celemony support / Panos Kolias <support@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:21 PM
To: James Malone <malone_j@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Latest update is not accessible for blind users
Dear James,
Thank you for your email.
As far as I can see, you are still using Melodyne 5.1.1.003. If you still have
the installer, "Melodyne.5.1.1.003.malonej.zip" on your hard disk, this is the
version you will need.
If you have already updated to Melodyne 5.2.0 and do not have a Melodyne
5.1.1.003 installer anymore, please let me know.
Best,
Panos
On May 06, 2022, at 20:49:20 CEST, James Malone <mailto:malone_j@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<malone_j@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello, as a user of your product I want to bring to your attention that a
developer for Jaws scripts has been working on your previous version of
Melodyne. Jaws is a screen reader that reads text on the screen. Although I
haven't used the scripts as of yet, I've purchased your program at the end
of last year so when the scripts were released I could start working with
the program. Now, with this update, I'm finding that the writer has run in
to a serious problem in regards to creating the scripts after this update
was released.
Here's why I'm writing. I've invested money in to your program. I realize
that you are not in the position of making everything on the planet
accessible, however when making changes that we can't work with is not a
option either. I'm sure you are getting emails like this email, so my
question to you is what can you do to make this update manageable for the
creator of the scripts to finish his job.
We as blind users of studio Da's should be able to run your program like
anyone else, but when effectively updating constantly effects the usage of
the scripts will only give us setbacks in effectively learning and running
your program.
This is why I'm writing you. Can you please assist us in taking time to
address this problem, and work with us? I realize we are a small community,
and if we had the marketing behind us I'm sure you would at least address
this problem in a timely matter. So please forget about making money, and
look at this as a important project that must be address.
Your program is used within several platforms such as ProTools, and MAGIX
products such as Samplitude, and I'm sure that the manufactures of most of
these platforms is allowing trial versions of your program to be installed
on our computers. How can we work with your program if we aren't able to
effectively work within our means if the program doesn't work for us?
So many questions, but little answers.
Regards: James Malone
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update
news, it's not good.
Ok JP, good stuff.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update
news, it's not good.
Hi Steve,
I just got the previous version back, thanks to Melodyne support. Unfortunately
it cannot be shared, as the zip file contains personal information, At least it
seems so as The filename includes my email address.
Anyway, I'm ready to try the scripts Whenever you want.
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Le 06/05/2022 à 18:32, Brian Olesen (brian) a écrit :
HI Steve,
Great info. Just wanted to check that thoughts has been generated on the
subject.
Brian
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Emne: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's
not good.
Sorry about that Brian, I can’t remember seeing that.
Anyway, yes there are a shed load of shortcuts that can be assigned in
Melodyne, but unfortunately, many of them are only available in the stand alone
version. I took the approach that things will stay as close to default as
possible, but there is a custom keymap that comes with my scripts. This only
contains about 3 customizations to the default keymap, but they were necessary
to enable the scripts to hook onto some stuff.
Also, I personally think assigning everything to keystrokes with no ability to
inform the user of what has happened could easily result in wrong keystrokes
being pressed, hence messing up your editing. So, for things that cannot be
reported, you can simply go into a menu to execute that action. Plus, remember,
the option is available to any user to add further keystrokes for their own
personal use.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's
not good.
Great, great and more great. I’ll be looking forward to this, and your idea
about creating good documentation is really essential!
By the way you didn’t comment on the last part of my earlier mail?
That part about using customized shortcut keys more aggressively as a possible
solution?
Brian
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Emne: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
The scripts are now done…and I mean done, I’m not twiddling anymore with them
lol! Only thing I need to do is to finish off the documentation and get some
videos done, because I definitely think demonstrations need to be made
available. I’ll let you know when everything is ready.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] SV: Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
HI Steve,
Great idea!
By the way.
How close to release of your scripts are you.
I almost can’t wait. 😊
Brian
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Emne: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Thanks for those links Pete. Yes, I think posting on there will at least raise
the question, I’ll get to it some time today.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
I wonder if it is worth making some comments on the SKIA user forum to the
effect that this nice free software being picked up by other developers is not
natively accessible and that if they want to keep making it available to people
they should clearly highlight this as a caveat.
The user forum can be found at:
https://groups.google.com/g/skia-discuss
and more information on SKIA itself can be found at:
https://skia.org/
--Pete
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] SV: Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi,
I think all of us, who actually board the program should contact Celemony, and
kindly ask them to revert to the former platform, or do something else, so we
visually impaired users still can use it properly.
Luckily not many significant enhancements has been made to the newly released
5.2 that we can’t live without, but in the future this is going to be a serious
problem.
Best regards
Brian
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Emne: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
The sad thing is that such a tool as SKIA even exists. If SKIA had built in
accessibility in the first place, folks who built their tools on this platform
would then be accessible. Since this is a free, open source tool, it isn’t
surprising that developers want to use it. On the other hand, being a Google
sponsored and managed project it is shameful that Google doesn’t either make
this accessible or clearly indicate that to developers as a major caveat.
--Pete
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Phil, they are now using Skia to draw everything on screen. That graphics
engine has no direct option for accessibility by default, but it apparently has
a framework built in that Flutter can utilise. So, currently, what Skia draws,
Skia doesn’t care about, there is no way to tell Skia what is or isn’t text, it
all just appears as non readable pictures really.
I have no idea how Skia and Flutter differ, but after having dialog with Vic
Tsaran, he’s assured us that accessibility can be added if they are willing to
add the necessary code with Flutter. Now whether or not they are willing to do
this is the million dollar question.
The dev at Celemony I’ve been having communication with has said the same old
stuff we’ve heard a thousand times before, in as much as they’re a small team
and they have little resources to address problems like this. He did however,
say that he wants to evaluate whether or not there is “any low hanging fruit”
they can grab…which I take to mean, is there any money to be made out of doing
this.
Anyway, there are a handful of us who are trying our best to urge Celemony to
go down this route…and there is the knowledge in this group to give Celemony
the information to achieve it, so we’ll see if we get any joy.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
I have been following this thread. I wonder what Celemony are using to author
their plug-ins? For example, if they are written in Juce or QT then graphics
libraries shouldn’t come into play as they can use the accessibility UI to help
us. As you know, Skia is used on Android, Chrome etc. This isn’t an issue as
Android has accessibility API’s as indeed does Chrome.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
I’m guessing that some companies are doing this because it’s the easiest way
for cross platform compatibility, e.g. so their products work on Windows and
IOS. Like I said, my thoughts are they’re doing this to support the new M1
silicon chipset from Apple.
I have to say, after reading a bit more about skia, it really is a super
lazy/backwards step move on Celemony’s part. Our only hope is that there is
another tool that works in conjunction with Skia to give them the tools to add
some accessibility, as Skia doesn’t have anything to offer at all!
It’s just a fact of life that we get the shitty end of the stick more times
then not, they see our community as disposable, yet they will jump through
hoops to provide eye candy for the sighted user. There maybe some dialog to
have with Celemony, but we’ll have to see how that goes, I’m not too positive
about it, but I think we have to try. My heart wants to do everything to make
these people take responsibility, but my head says it won’t achieve anything,
only calm/positive dialog really get’s anywhere.
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Sent: 05 May 2022 08:02
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Indeed, if I remember right, it’s why Microsoft and Apple pursued built in
access. But hey, what can us VIs do?
Ian
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
I hear you Ian, but you know, I’ve always wondered why some companies care
about accessibility and some don’t. It doesn’t seem to be a money problem at
all in fact, but more an individual sensitivity matter. Who knows if someone at
the top of the pyramid at native instruments ableton or modartt does not have
a close friend or member of his family who is blind. I really wonder.
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Le 5 mai 2022 à 08:36, il@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:il@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
Hi JP
Kind of interesting, but I think what it does is high-light the problem. If we
tried fighting a battle in the UK, we would probably be confounded by the fact
many of these companies are American. We fight it in the States, other parts
of the World would be left behind. The route of the problem is that people
studying software development at University aren't being made to face there's a
wider World out there that includes people with access issues. There needs to
be a fundamental change in how software development is taught. If access was
included at the beginning of many of these programs we try and use I'm sure the
World would be a more equal place... 😊
Best
Ian
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hey guys,
there is this website I receive newsletter from every once in a while.
No idea if it could help at all but here is the link.
http://lflegal.com/2015/08/legal-update-summer15/
Forgive me if it's irrelevant.
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Le 05/05/2022 à 03:25, James Malone a écrit :
Hey Steve, is this update automatic? Ian, can't remember how many times I went
down this road. I even sent spectra sonics to the better business bureau, and
they told me that because of the lack of interest in regards to us controlling
the market they weren't going to make allowances for us. They even ask me to
remove them from the list.
I said no.
Jim
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hey Ian, I totally feel the pain as well!
I've had this with Spectrasonics before. They just decide to change their
graphics engine with no consultation on the affects it has on their user base.
It's almost as if they're happy to take your money, but then are quite happy to
take away the product you paid for!
All of this is a thankless task and it does make you question why you
do it, but while what I do empowers other VIP's, then I guess I'll try
my best to keep things going, but I do agree, there has to be a
breaking point...and the trouble is, this seems to be happening more
and more with the same old excuses that budgets don't stretch to
accessibility! It's as if we take 2 steps forward and then 3 steps
back!!! 😒😖
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi Steve
It makes me so mad, all that work you've put in wiped out in a moment. Not
wanting to sound overly dramatic about this, but, enough is enough. The lack
of access to these 2 bit programs is discriminatory. Enough noise has been
made about access in the last 5 years, they surely can't say they don't know
anything about it. We're getting to the stage where we need to make an example
of one of these software providers and sue their fucking arses... Really, does
anyone out there have a lawyer friend? Would they be interested in taking this
on?
If not sue them, then try and get people to boycott them.
OK, that's out my system.
All the best
Ian
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi Floyd.
Oh, gotcha, yes that's the plan. Scripts will be done by the end of today , so
it's just tidying up the documentation and making videos. I do think there will
be a few different videos, as I want to explain each concept separately, e.g.
navigation, selecting blobs, splitting blobs , removing separations etc. Also,
as the scripts support the stand alone, ARA and plugin flavours of Melodyne,
along with each version, Essential, Assistant, Editor and Studio, there are
some things you can do in 1, but not another, plus the plugin version has a
couple of slight differences, due to what you need to do after a transfer.
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Hi Steve,
Yup, I got that.
My question is, do you plan to put your scripts up with an 'how to'
video for the Samplitude versions we already have?
I'm still happily using version 5 here.
Perhaps with a charge like Vallahalla?
Thanks,
Floyd...
On 5/4/22, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Hi Floyd.
It's only this latest Melodyne update, which is supposed to be a
minor update BTW that now shows no text on screen for a screen
reader, the previous version is still OK in that regard. So, you can
still use this build in any up to date DAW like Samplitude.
I'm communicating with others to see if there are any avenues to
investigate to see if we can get Celemony to at least make it how it
was prior to this update. I can't see them doing anything major, but
there maybe possibilities that they might consider. They've moved to
a new graphics platform called Skia...and if there are options to add
accessibility using this platform, there might be some hope moving forward.
BTW, the more I read about changes companies are making in regards to
what UI platform they use, the more Apple M1 silicon chips crop up.
Spectrasonics have done it...and I know they did it for this reason,
now it looks like Celemony have also done it. So, it looks like we're
losing accessibility, because of Apple changes 😖.
Best Steve.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Melodyne update news, it's not good.
Bummer Steve,
This is pretty much what happened with Sonar and CakeTalking.
Do you plan to put up the scripts with a video perhaps for we that
have older versions like with Samplitude 5 or 6?
By the way, Google, though it professes to be the cat's meow for
accessibility has lots and lots of issues in a number of their products.
Thanks for everything you do,
Floyd...
On 5/3/22, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Hi.
I'm passing on the information I have regarding Melodyne's latest update.
My
initial thoughts were correct and Celemony have moved to a different
graphics library, hence why Jaws can no longer see any text on
screen at all. I'm not sure if this also has an impact on other
solutions for Melodyne, but it's quite clear that we're at the end
of the road with this product, unless Jaws developers can address
it, or the graphics library in question can be worked on with accessibility in
mind.
Celemony tell me that the V5.1.1.003 version will be available to
anyone who requests it from them, but it won't be available via
their website. This is the last build that text can be seen on
screen. The latest build
(V5.2.0.006) breaks the ability to read text and they have no plans
to rectify this, as they are now sticking with this new library,
which is called Skia.
They did say they would be willing to update the version of Skia
they use, if any work with accessibility is done, as it's open
source, so is available to people to work with. Apparently, Skia is
backed by Google, so I would have thought that accessibility should
be part of it's mandate to deliver that accessibility, but this sort
of stuff is outside of my knowledge and I have no contacts who know
about this sort of thing available at the moment.
I will try to contact dev's at FS or whatever they're called now,
but again, I have no direct contacts there, so I would have thought
it's going to be difficult to raise this problem with the people who
need to know. If anyone thinks they have something to offer with
making Skia support screen readers, or if someone has a contact at
FS I can write to, then please get in touch:
Stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:Stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:Stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
Best steve.
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