[vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.

  • From: "Paul Traynor" <paul.traynor@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:36:38 +0100

Hi Roslyn,
Yes I was curious to know if they had a charge for this service as I have a
few enquiries about it and can go now and report on it. Thanks for the
clarification.

Paul.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: vip_students-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vip_students-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roslyn Allman
Sent: 15 June 2008 23:28
To: vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.

Hi Paul,

Sorry I'm only replying to your mail now.

Yes you do have to pay to set up a Hotmail account through OE.  This is
because I had to set up my Hotmail account through Hotmail Express, I think
it was called, before setting it up through OE.

Regards
Roslyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Traynor" <paul.traynor@xxxxxxx>
To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:36 PM
Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.


> Hi I thought you had to pay in order to have hotmail  set up in outlook
> express these days but I could be wrong. I don't like it anyway, much 
> prefer
> Gmail.
>
> Paul.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vip_students-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vip_students-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> Sent: 01 June 2008 21:55
> To: vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.
>
> Roslyn thank you for this.  I wonder if Paul Traynor can answer us on this
> one as I am sure there would be others interested too.  Paul after all is
> the fountain head when it comes to the I T stuff.  Don't suppose your
> trainer could help us out and write out instgructions, Roslyn, that is if
> your trainer is for the visually impaired.  I saw once a week or so ago 
> some
> person sending in a question on the Vip Students list and I am sure at the
> end it said that the person was an IT trainer in Athlone so maybe trainers
> use this too.  Anyway we will revert to Paul T if he does not mind.
>
> Eleanor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roslyn Allman" <roslynallman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:47 PM
> Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.
>
>
>> Hi Eleanor,
>>
>> Sorry I can't give you much info on this.  I was using a Hotmail email
>> account and the I.T. Trainer in my area set me up an account through OE 
>> so
>> that I did not have to change my email address.  Best to ask someone who
>> knows more about computers than I do.
>>
>> Regards
>> Roslyn
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:00 PM
>> Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.
>>
>>
>> > How did you do it through Outlook Express?  I am very interested in
> that.
>> >
>> > I discovered the answer re my query on Powerpoint to Word.  I just
> Googled
>> > it and got my answer.
>> >
>> > Eleanor
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Roslyn Allman" <roslynallman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:45 PM
>> > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Eleanor,
>> >>
>> >> I am a jaws user and have a Hotmail account.  I had to work through
>> > Outlook
>> >> Express though.  It was too difficult with my vision to use the 
>> >> Hotmail
>> >> website itself.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Roslyn
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
>> >> To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:46 PM
>> >> Subject: [vip_students] Signing on with GMail, Hot Mail, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Eleanor,
>> >> >
>> >> > I changed the subject line to reflect the changed nature of the 
>> >> > topic
>> >> > under
>> >> > discussion.  you don't have to use your name in whatever email
> address
>> >> > you're going to use.   They may ask for your name in the 
>> >> > application,
>> > but
>> >> > your name and email address are separate items.  I got a hotmail
>> >> > account
>> >> > before CAPTCHA verification came in.  I think there is now (in the
> past
>> >> > year
>> >> > or so) an audio CAPTCHA as well.  If not, sorry, you'll just have to
>> > deal
>> >> > with the visual as best you can facilitate.
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:51 PM
>> >> > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> > installation!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I know Flor, I think I came across something like that in the past
> and
>> >> > when
>> >> > I heard the audio I was so stupid (a novice at computers then) I
>> >> > thought
>> >> > there was something wrong with it or my computer or something.  I 
>> >> > did
>> > not
>> >> > realize or appreciate then that it was distorted speech like
> distorted
>> >> > writing.  Now Flor I would like to set up a hotmail account but I
> think
>> >> > that
>> >> > is very difficult for visually impaired, or at least for me.  The
> only
>> >> > other
>> >> > thing is that like G mail I want to be able to set it up without
> having
>> > to
>> >> > give my own personal details.  Do you know if this is possible? 
>> >> > Like
>> > say
>> >> > when you set up a G mail account you can just write in a name you
> want
>> > and
>> >> > do not have to give your own.  To give you an example I had w with e
> 2
>> >> > which
>> >> > was Pedro with Eleanor 2, then I had another Gene Genie.  There is 
>> >> > no
>> > real
>> >> > mystery attached to me wanting to use a different name but I just
> like
>> >> > having a different to Eleanor Burke, keeping my Eleanor Burke one 
>> >> > for
>> > what
>> >> > I
>> >> > would call serious communication and where I need people to know it
> is
>> > me.
>> >> > When I use the one with the different name obviously I let people
> know
>> > it
>> >> > is
>> >> > me.  Sorry if this is a bore to all other readers.
>> >> >
>> >> > Eleanor
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >>From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:38 PM
>> >> > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> > installation!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Eleanor,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I eventually 'got the hang' of the gmail audio, and set up an
> account.
>> >> >> It
>> >> >> is among the better class of audio CAPTCHA.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:33 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> > installation!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know exactly what you are saying Flor.  Interestingly those
> letters
>> >> >> (graphic display) is easy to read for someone with partial sight.
> Now
>> > I
>> >> > do
>> >> >> not know if you have ever tried to set up a G mail account.  They
> have
>> >> >> really dreadful visual display of letters on screen and I cannot
>> >> >> always
>> >> >> dissipher them but they do have that audible kind of thing that you
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> talking about. There is an icon with a wheelchair symbol, the blue
>> >> >> wheelchair symbol of disability and clicking on it produces this
>> >> >> distorted
>> >> >> speech but it is possible for me to hear it.  They then say the
>> >> >> numbers
>> >> > and
>> >> >> repeat them.  I appreciate it does discriminate against those with 
>> >> >> a
>> >> > hearing
>> >> >> and sight impairment but I would say it is at least helpful for a
> non
>> >> >> sighted person with good hearing.  Having said that I do turn off 
>> >> >> my
>> >> > speech
>> >> >> while I listen to the numbers.  It then gives a second shot at it.
>> >> >> Interestingly it is alwlays a female voice and not a male one.  I
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> tht has anything to do with being able to hear a female voice more
>> >> >> clearly
>> >> >> than a male one.  Now that will get all you guys relied!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eleanor
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> >From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:47 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> > installation!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Eleanor,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've been to the site where the application form is, and where 
>> >> >> > the
>> > form
>> >> > to
>> >> >> > fill in says, "type in the letters you see above", or something
>> >> >> > similar,
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> > where there is a CAPTCHA graphical image.  The thing about these
>> > images
>> >> > is
>> >> >> > that they contain characters which are deliberately distorted to
>> >> >> > prevent
>> >> >> > machine recognition of 'any' kind.  However, the computers are
>> > catching
>> >> > up
>> >> >> > with that sort of thing all the time, and in a few years' time
> these
>> >> >> images
>> >> >> > will not be as effective in telling computers and humans apart as
>> > they
>> >> >> > presently have been and will therefore have to be discarded.  One
>> >> >> > way
>> >> >> around
>> >> >> > that scenario is to use audio - spoken characters against a
>> > background
>> >> > of
>> >> >> > white noise of some kind so that it sound distorted to prevent
>> >> > recognition
>> >> >> > by a speech-recognition program - but this discriminates against
>> > people
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> > a hearing impairment, etc.  Anyway, in this case no audio
>> > 'workaround'
>> >> > was
>> >> >> > provided.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:05 AM
>> >> >> > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> >> installation!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Flor you are indeed quite right in everything you say.  I am of
> the
>> >> >> opinion
>> >> >> > that in joining this list I need a settling down period in terms
> of
>> >> >> knowing
>> >> >> > people and their competencies in relation to I T.  This said I
> think
>> > a
>> >> > new
>> >> >> > person to any situation whether it be a list like this, someone
> new
>> >> > coming
>> >> >> > in to a club or work place always upsets the general dynamics of
>> > things
>> >> >> > initially and then it all settles down again.  If this is highly
>> >> > sensative
>> >> >> > then maybe criteria should be set for people joining the list and
> in
>> >> > this
>> >> >> > way should sighted people or those with residual vision not fall
> in
>> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > joining criteria then exclusion would make the membership
>> >> >> > watertight.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Now come onfolks I will not mention visual things again and this
> way
>> >> > let's
>> >> >> > just try and get on with things. There will be some of you that
> will
>> >> > know
>> >> >> me
>> >> >> > and undoubtedly the majority of you will not but for those who 
>> >> >> > do,
>> > you
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> > know that I am 100% comfortable with those without vision and
> where
>> >> >> > I
>> >> > can
>> >> >> > ever help (again not being patronising) I am only too delighted 
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > do
>> >> > so.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have a good Bank Holiday weekend.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Eleanor
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > >From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
>> >> >> > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:53 AM
>> >> >> > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> >> installation!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > Eleanor and all,
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > By way of giving or getting clarification:  As I understand it,
>> >> >> > > you
>> >> >> > actually
>> >> >> > > have 60 days free trial.  Also, isn't there a CAPTCHA - i.e., a
>> >> >> graphical
>> >> >> > > image verification (to prevent spammers and bots) so that
>> >> > screen-readers
>> >> >> > > unfortunately cannot recognize the string?  (Blind user cannot
> do
>> > it
>> >> >> > > independently.)  that is why the external email link was
> provided
>> > by
>> >> >> paul
>> >> >> > > (and others elsewhere) in the instructions.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > that said, I am using a different antivirus program and am 
>> >> >> > > happy
>> > with
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >> > > maureen is quite a competent Web user and form filler!
>> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:13 PM
>> >> >> > > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> >> > installation!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Maureen
>> >> >> > > If it is of any help you can use Avast for about 30 days 
>> >> >> > > without
>> > the
>> >> >> key.
>> >> >> > > If someone can help you on the site where you download there is
> a
>> >> >> > > very
>> >> >> > short
>> >> >> > > form to complete for the key.  I got mine within a minute when 
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> completed
>> >> >> > > that form.  All the form is asking for is an e-mail address and
> I
>> >> > think
>> >> >> > > probably your name and country.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Eleanor
>> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > > >From: "Maureen Newelll" <mcnewell@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:07 PM
>> >> >> > > Subject: [vip_students] Re: Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> >> > installation!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > Paul, I sent an e/mail request for key number to #Avast about
>> >> >> > > > two
>> >> >> weeks
>> >> >> > > ago
>> >> >> > > > and I still await the key! Maureen.
>> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > > > From: "Paul Traynor" <paul.traynor@xxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > > To: <vip_students@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:49 PM
>> >> >> > > > Subject: [vip_students] Article 1:Avast, The download and
>> >> >> installation!
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Avast for home users download:
>> >> >> > > > http://download638.avast.com/iavs4pro/setupeng.exe
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > This guide is to help you download and install the Avast
>> > antivirus
>> >> >> > > software
>> >> >> > > > for home users. It s freeware for home and personal use but
> you
>> >> >> > > > must
>> >> >> use
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > > paid version if it is for commercial use.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > We will begin the  guide after we have first downloaded to 
>> >> >> > > > our
>> >> >> computer
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > > Avast software.
>> >> >> > > > You can choose to download in two ways the software.
>> >> >> > > > *. When the download begins and you are prompted to either
> save
>> > or
>> >> > run
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > > software.
>> >> >> > > > *. You can first choose to save the software to the hard 
>> >> >> > > > drive
>> > such
>> >> > as
>> >> >> > > your
>> >> >> > > > desktop or in My Documents for installing later.
>> >> >> > > > Note: This option may be best for someone using a dial-up
>> >> > connection.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > We are going to choose in this guide to install the file 
>> >> >> > > > after
>> >> >> > > > we
>> >> > are
>> >> >> > > > prompted to either "save it or run it". To do this we will
> tab
>> >> >> > > > over
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > > "Run button" and press with the spacebar.
>> >> >> > > > What happens after this is that the file will first download
> to
>> > the
>> >> >> > > > computers temp folder and when it has completed this it will
>> >> >> > > > then
>> >> >> begin
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > > > install.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 1. When the file has downloaded to the computer, it will come
> up
>> >> > with
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > > > warning message about running  programs and ask you if you
> would
>> >> > like
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > > > run this software. You will use the tab key to jump to the 
>> >> >> > > > run
>> >> > button
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > > a
>> >> >> > > > second time. Remember we had this run button earlier but that
>> >> >> > > > was
>> >> >> > > > to
>> >> >> > > > indicate to the software that after it downloaded it should
>> >> >> > > > begin
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > > > install process. This time the run button is for making sure
>> >> >> > > > that
>> >> >> > > > we
>> >> >> > > "really
>> >> >> > > > want to run the software on our PC".
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 2. Once we have hit the spacebar on the run button the
> software
>> >> >> starts
>> >> >> > > > asking us some simple questions.
>> >> >> > > > The first question is the welcome to the Avast installation
> and
>> > you
>> >> >> hit
>> >> >> > > > enter on the "next button"
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 3. This next screen is a read me page just giving you
>> >> >> > > > information
>> >> >> > > > on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > > > system requirements your computer must meet in order to run
> the
>> >> >> > software.
>> >> >> > > > Just tab to the next button and press enter or spacebar.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 4. Now we have the license agreement. You will be positioned
> on
>> > two
>> >> >> > radio
>> >> >> > > > buttons to make a choice:
>> >> >> > > > *. I disagree button.
>> >> >> > > > *. I agree button.
>> >> >> > > > You must select the "I agree button" by pressing the up or
> down
>> >> > arrow.
>> >> >> > > > Once you have done this tab key to next and press enter or
>> >> >> > > > spacebar.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 5. Now Avast is telling you where it will install itself on
> your
>> >> >> > computer.
>> >> >> > > > Just tab to the next button and press enter key or spacebar
>> > again.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 6. The next screen is the Avast configuration screen. I don't
>> >> >> > > > advise
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> > > > make any changes here so just tab to the next button and 
>> >> >> > > > press
>> >> >> > > > enter
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> > > > spacebar to continue on.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 7. The next screen is a checklist of recommended settings 
>> >> >> > > > that
>> >> >> > > > Avast
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > > > install on your system. Just go to the next button and press
>> > enter
>> >> > or
>> >> >> > > > spacebar.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 8. Once you have pressed the next button the software will 
>> >> >> > > > now
>> >> >> > > > begin
>> >> >> > > > installing on your system so give it time to complete and it
>> >> >> > > > will
>> >> >> > indicate
>> >> >> > > > to you that it is installing by announcing  percentages as it
>> > goes.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > 9. The final part of the installation is that it will prompt
> you
>> > to
>> >> >> > > restart
>> >> >> > > > your computer. Just press enter key to complete this part and
>> >> >> > > > the
>> >> >> > computer
>> >> >> > > > will then reboot itself back up to the desktop.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Now your Avast software is installed. When the computer comes
>> > back
>> >> > on
>> >> >> > > there
>> >> >> > > > may pop up some Avast screens just informing you of what has
>> >> > happened
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > > > so on, this is normal and you can close any screen that is in
>> > your
>> >> > way
>> >> >> > > with
>> >> >> > > > alt + F4 when the computer settles down.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Note:Obtaining a registeration number.
>> >> >> > > > The Avast software requires a registeration number which you
> can
>> >> >> obtain
>> >> >> > > from
>> >> >> > > > the Avast support team. If you send an email to the below
> email
>> >> >> address
>> >> >> > > > stating that you are vision impaired and cannot read the
>> >> >> > > > letters
>> >> >> > > > on
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > > > registeration page they will send you a serial number  to
>> >> >> > > > install
>> >> > into
>> >> >> > > your
>> >> >> > > > avast product.
>> >> >> > > > To obtain a registration number for your Avast, send an email
>> >> > request
>> >> >> > to:
>> >> >> > > > support@Avast .com
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Now go to the article about setting up Avast after the
>> > installation
>> >> > of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > > software for further  instructions.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
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