Hi Dave,
Yeah. I suppose Gerry can clarify whether he meant actually going into
Landscape Mode! (I don’t think that is or should be necessary for VoiceOver
Practice/VoioceOver Help.)
(For the benefit of iDevice newbies: Portrait is the ‘normal’ mode, as used
when reading or printing most documents. Landscape Mode, on an i-Device, means
rotating the phone 90° to the right (usually, ‘with Home button to the right’).
Have a good weekend.
From: David Nason
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:40 PM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi Flor,
Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that the VoiceOver practice area is a great
tool for anyone new to VoiceOver. And of course if one is having trouble with
the four finger gesture, due for example to the width of the device, then
turning it around makes sense.
However that’s not the same thing, at least as I read the original posts, as
putting the phone into landscape mode. I would always recommend that people
keep the orientation locked in portrait mode using the toggle in the control
centre. Turning the phone around to activate an awkward gesture makes sense,
but I’d strongly recommend actually practicing in portrait.
Cheers mate,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 21 Jul 2017, at 19:07, Flor Lynch <florlync@xxxxxx> wrote:
Dave,
To my mind, it’s a matter of degree. If one is having difficulty activating
the four-finger double-tap for some reason, while in Portrait Mode, then moving
the device (phone) slightly to an angle – not necessarily into the full
Landscape Mode – will make it easier to do the four-finger double-tap. Also, it
was suggested as a practice remedy, or a ‘dry run’ to get good doing it. You
might be surprised at the gestures some people have difficultyies with. Even
the two-finger scrub causes several people problems.
From: David Nason
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:22 PM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi guys,
I wondered, why are you suggesting putting the device into landscape mode to
do this. It works fine in portrait.
I would argue that one is better practicing in portrait because that’s more
than likely the mode they will be using the phone in day to day.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Jul 2017, at 09:43, Gerard Shanahan <gershan@xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Flor if one wishes to practice gestures it is best to place the iPhone
in the landscape position on a flat surface and then they can practice gestures
and make sure that all fingers touch the screen this is the greatest problem
with starting off that one does not use all fingers evenly does instead of a
three finger tap it might only have a two finger tap
Gerry
On 19 Jul 2017, at 19:18, Flor Lynch <florlync@xxxxxx> wrote:
Oh sorry, my error. It does, (or it should”"! Sometimes the
not-all-seeing iPhone sensors can’t get the four finger double tap and think
it’s a three-finger! So delete that exception message I wrote.
To get out of VoiceOver help Mode, either a two-finger scrub or ‘z’
gesture, or pressing the Home button, will do it. (Or if you fancy it,
four-finger double-tap again!)
From: Flor Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:28 PM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Doesn’t do so on the 5S!
From: Gerard Shanahan
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:10 PM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi I just did the four finger double tap for on and off site does toggle
Gerry
On 19 Jul 2017, at 15:44, Flor Lynch <florlync@xxxxxx> wrote:
To make it a bit clearer: The Four-Finger Double-Tap to get into
VoiceOver Help is an exception, in that it IS NOT an on/off toggle. (Many of
the other on/off gesteures ARE toggles, where if you repeat, it undoes or gets
out of what you did/where you were.)
From: Gerard Shanahan
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:50 PM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi Flor, Susan and Roslyn,
Flor, it is a brilliant way to learn and you are correct, one does have
to read it leasurely, giving oneself time to take in the info. Also it isn’t a
bad idea to mimmick the actions described on a flat surface next to your
computer as you read in the event you don’t have a iphone in your posession.
It was the one and only real source of self tuition for the iphone. Now, if
you are of the frame of mind that you get into the idea of the voiceover but
there is a few described actions that you don’t quite get at first, keep
trying, leaving it and coming back to it again. I got my phone December, 2
years ago and I didn’t quite get the index combo box in the contacts but after
the eureka moment I find it really great. Another great assistive help point is
if you place the iphone in the landscape position and then perform a four
finger double tap and voiceover will announce help, this lets you perform all
gestures without actually doing anything while voiceover will tell you what
each gesture results in – 3 finger swipe from right to left page forward. You
can get out of this window by repeating the gesture I mentioned earlier as it
is an activate or deactivate gesture. Roslyn, in the event you don’t have an
opportunity to use an iphone, you might have a look at an ipad or an ipod,
voiceover works the same on all devices. If you have a friend who has a I
device or apple ipad iphone or ipod, ask them to give you a look at it and if
you try a 3 finger double tap on the screen it should switch on voice over and
do the same again to turn it off. If this doesn’t work ask them if they could
go into settings and switch on voiceover under accessibility. Susan, I don’t
know about the local library system in the north, alas Roslyn, you could
contact the local library and inquire if they have a volunteer who gives
tutorials on iphones or other such devices. Don’t make a big thing of
explaining to them that you are visually impaired, best to leave it out and in
the event that a local volunteer does show people all about smart devices, find
out when he is there and see if you can make an appointment to meet him so that
maybe he might show you something on his I device or smart phone, In the event
let me know how you get on with this option. You could of course contact the
local resource worker and ask the technology officer to visit or talk to them
inquiring about the opportunity of looking at an iphone. Susan, if you want
to try out something, get Joe to put the email of a friend into contacts if the
phone has access to the wifi in the house or use joe’s phone. Then if siri is
active on the phone, “Hey serie, make a facetime video call to joe bourke”
serie in her cool feministic tones wil answer “making a facetime audio call to
joe bourke” – oh! How those husky breathie tones excite me….
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: 19 July 2017 12:33
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi Susan,
Another good Web site, even easier than AppleVis in ways, is
www.voiceover-easy.net . (Note the hyphen in voiceover-easy.)
Other handy gestures?
Two-Finmger Scrub: That is, two-finger flick right then left, is the
Back or ESC button.
(Remember to turn the Screen Curtain OFF when/if you needd a sighted
pair of eyes to look at the screen! Three-Finger Triple-Tap.)
Be patient with yourself while learning the iPhone. (If you’d had
enough for one day or afternoon, come back to it later when you’re fresher.) It
all takes time to absorb anyway. (Perhaps a few weeks to get familiar with it,
depending on how much time you put into it.) It’s ultimately rewarding!
From: Susan Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:52 AM
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Yes I gathered that, I mentioned it to give Rosalyn an idea of maybe
borrowing one from a family member or friend before she forks out that big
money for one.
That website is great been all this time looking at it, so many thanks
susan
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Nason
Sent: 19 July 2017 11:45
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi Susan,
No worries. Oh yeah the bit about buying a phone was aimed at Roslyn
really.
AppleVis was your bit :)
Enjoy,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Jul 2017, at 09:27, Susan Bourke <SusanCurry@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Dave,
O thank you I’m so grateful for that, no I won’t be buying one till I
see if I can use it or not I’ll just keep using joe’s for the time being.
susan
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Nason
Sent: 19 July 2017 09:21
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: ifone question
Hi Roslyn and Susan,
Roslyn: Honestly iPhones rarely come cheap, but there are generally
plenty of people selling them second hand on the likes of Adverts.ie and
DoneDeal.ie
There are shops around the place called Entertainment Exchange, and
their website www.cex.ie but in my experience they are very expensive.
At this stage I wouldn’t recommend buying anything older than an
iPhone 6, maybe at a push an iPhone 5S or 5C, which are 4 years old now..
Susan: A good place to start is www.applevis.com
They have some good beginners guides. There is also a forum where you
can ask questions.
HTH,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Jul 2017, at 08:30, Susan Bourke <SusanCurry@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Roslyn
I’m also just finding out about these I phones, in fact I go for my
first and only lesson today that the royal national institute for the blind is
supplying, normally it is for 6 weeks but they have run out of funding. I
barely know how to turn one on so I was wondering if anyone on the list would
have any tips and hints?
susanBest wishes Roslyn
From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of roslynallman@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 18 July 2017 21:46
To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [vicsireland] ifone question
Hi All,
Sorry if asking a question that has been mentioned before. I was
wondering where to get a used/second hand ifone? Just to get used to using the
phone as I am not a user currently.
Thanks in advance.
Roslyn
