[vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best with Jaws 13
- From: tony scanlon <turrots@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:39:09 +0000
]http://apodder.org/blog/NVDA-quick-start.html
This is an old item so hope the iinfo is OK.
lThere are many alternatives to the eSpeak voice. Your PC may already have
installed voices from other applications as well as those built in to
Windows. A later step, will explain how to expand your repertoire of voice
choices. Experiment with the following cycle to find a suitable trial
voice:
Bring up the NVDA menu by INS+N.
Choose Preferences from the menu
Choose Synthesizer to show the options available on your PC. Click down in
the combo box for different synthesizers, i.e. software to render voices,
which are actually just data files. Try SAPI 5 if available for the most
natural voices. You may need to install SAPI5, available free from online
Microsoft.
Changing from eSpeak should bring up another voice. Click OK to experiment
with the voices for this synthesizer.
Use INS+N again, select Preferences, and choose Voices. The combo should
show the installed voices for the selected synthesizer. You may find names
like Microsoft Sam or Adult American or Grandma or NV Kate. The voice
should change after a few seconds loading its data.
Although not really pleasant, the MS voices like Mike and Mary in Windows
XP and comparable better voices in Vista should suffice once you become
attuned to their reading habits.
Continue until you find a voice you can understand well enough to
experiment further with the functionality of NVDA.
Do not let the harshness or unfamiliarity of the synthetic voice scare you
off. Blind people use this hours a day, as a necessity to utilize the power
of screen readers. Just like listening to a new human acquaintance with an
accent, you will soon become accustomed to their intonation, pace, and
quirks and listen past their voice to what they are telling you.
Now experiment with NVDA in a browser. Here are the main key strokes for
navigating a page: h for heading; k for link; f for form fields; n for
buttons; I for lists; i for list items; and TAB for next element; down and
up arrows for lines; INS+down for continuous reading; CNTL to stop reading.
Precede a letter by SHIFT to reverse direction. To enter data into a form
field, e.g. to search, you need to trigger what is called 'virtual buffer
pass through' by pressing SPACE on first entering an edit field.
Alternatively use INS+SPACE to toggle the pass-through. This is a pain
until you get used to the extra layer of screen reader control interacting
with forms on a web page.
On 24 February 2012 16:24, Tim Culhane <tim.culhane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks Tony,
>
> Yes, I tried the MS default voice on Windows. It’s a lot better than
> ESpeak, but nowhere near as good as Eloquence.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tony scanlon
> Sent: 24 February 2012 16:20
> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best with Jaws 13
>
> Tim i was able to change the NVDA voice to the windows 7 default voice on
a
> laptop which is pretty good and I use ZoomText here in work which also has
> good audio which i ws able to use with NVDA by changing the synth setting
in
> NVDA. Now i did this using the mouse so not sure how you can open the
> application menu to make the change in NVDA .using the keyboard.
>
> On 24 February 2012 16:08, Esmond Walshe <esmond.walshe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> yes, there appears to be a trend towards using the natural sounding
>> speech synthasizers, which is rather worrying. As I find the natural
>> sounding ones much less responsive, and also the intonation isn't
>> always as good. Noted that the intonation issues in the newer
>> versions of these synthasizers appears to have been greatly improved.
>> But still listening to them at high speed can be a bit shaky.
>>
>> Esmond
>>
>> On 2/24/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> it's an old style synth. The modern preference for acapella or those
>>> other natural sounding synths is taking over.
>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 15:45, Tim Culhane wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nop, Apparently Nuance has discontinued development ... so you'd
>>>> wonder how much longer Jaws and Window Eyes will support it?
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dónal
>>>> Fitzpatrick
>>>> Sent: 24 February 2012 15:39
>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best with
>>>> Jaws 13
>>>>
>>>> seems like it Tim, apologies I was under the impression that there
>>>> was an Eloquence driver.
>>>>
>>>> Of course purchasing eloquence directly might be a possibility? If
>>>> it is SAPI compliant then you might be able to use it that way.
>>>> However I suspect that it will not be as responsive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 15:21, Tim Culhane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't look like it. According to the NVDA website attempts to
>>>>> develop a driver foundered due to the cost of purchasing licenses
>>>>> from
>>>> Nuance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've installed NVDA, and to be honest the eSpeak synth is truly
>>>>> awful.
>>>>> The most charitable I can be is to say it sounds like something
>>>>> straight out of Doctor Who.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dónal
>>>>> Fitzpatrick
>>>>> Sent: 24 February 2012 12:10
>>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best with
>>>>> Jaws 13
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah I think there is an eloquence driver knocking about somewhere.
>>>>> Amazing how used one gets to the so-called "inferior" voice isn't it.
>>>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 12:07, Tim Culhane wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably worth looking at. Does it have a decent synthesiser?
>>>>>> I'm so used to eloquence I can't live with some of the Real
> voices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dónal
>>>>>> Fitzpatrick
>>>>>> Sent: 24 February 2012 12:04
>>>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best with
>>>>>> Jaws 13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no switching isn't open to everyone. Tim I'm hearing very good
>>>>>> things about NVDA and word recently. I've not used it, and I'm
>>>>>> sure you don't want to spend time (or probably don't have time) to
>>>>>> learn a new screenreader, but I am hearing very very good things
> indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donal
>>>>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 12:02, Tim Culhane wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Donal will try draft view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, switching away from Windows isn't an option in
>>>>>>> my situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dónal
>>>>>>> Fitzpatrick
>>>>>>> Sent: 24 February 2012 11:59
>>>>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: configuring Word 2010 to work best
>>>>>>> with Jaws 13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try view draft tim. Turd 2010 and jaws 12 were among the main
>>>>>>> reasons I stopped using windows. Incidentally, I'm reliably
>>>>>>> informed by sighted friends and colleagues that the ribbon bar is
>>>>>>> as awful for them as
>>>>>> for us.
>>>>>>> On 24 Feb 2012, at 11:56, Flor Lynch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Normal view. (If it exists.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Culhane"
>>>>>>>> <tim.culhane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:29 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] configuring Word 2010 to work best with
>>>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>>>> 13
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if people have any information on what changes
>>>>>>>>> can be made to Word 2010 so that reading documents with Jaws
>>>>>>>>> 13 is as comfortable as possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've already changed the document view from print layout to
>>>>>>>>> outline layout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, When arrowing down in a document I keep having
>>>>>>>>> problems with Jaws saying blank or nothing at all when moving
>>>>>>>>> from one line to the
>>>>>>> next.
>>>>>>>>> Arrowing back up and down again usually fixes this, but it is
>>>>>>>>> very annoying to have to constantly do this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any tips for best results with word 2010 much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note I'm running Jaws and Word on Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------
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