hi martin,where did you get the template, did you have to purchase it? or was it a company of some sorts?
this would prove to be most useful to joe and i as we attend the gym three days a week and we are unable to work the tredmills ourselves.
susan----- Original Message ----- From: "martin kelly" <mrmartinkelly@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?
Cearbhaill!I became aware of various adaptations to gym equipment when i attended an Adaptive Physical Activity (APA) Conference in Kerry in May 2005. On that occasion, there were a number of companies exhibiting different types of adaptive equipment aimed at the disability sector, including, templates for making digital displays accessible to VIP users. As you can imagine, there was a pretty serious premium on all of the gear on display and these templates don't come cheap. So! I was quite satisfied when my Gym agreed to purchase one for me. These templates sit over the visual display and have raised arrows (up and down) to allow the user to alter the various options on the treadmill...the incline, speed and so on. For the "normal user" to pick off these arrows is quite difficult so the culprit must ider be bored on the treadmill or have annalistic tendencies to undertake such destruction of public property.In a nutshell...the templates are relatively expensive, quite indestructable but really effective for the VIP user.Don't hesitate if you wish to pursue this area any further as I am keen to promote access for al...by the way, the gym (Sports Centre) installed a lift earlier this year after we at NAG (Newbridge Access Group) highlighted the need for a lift for many years. So the good news is that things are changing, even if it is needs nagging and letter writing to bring it about.Cheerio just now Martin K----- Original Message ----- From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx>To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?Interesting!Did the gym mention an actual figure for the adaptation? It would be usefulto know how many machines are involved.I would be interested to know just what the template looks like if you don'tmind explaining it? I would think that a template consisting of a plastic sheet with holes where the buttons go would be sufficient to give a blindperson access to the buttons and give the others nothing to pick at. What doyou think? All the best, Cearbhall "Good design enables - Bad design disables" Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin kelly Sent: 28 July 2007 15:12 To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons? Hi again CearbhaillThank you for getting back with such a considered response to the questionof making products accessible to VIPs... Having had a similar experience to Tim, i felt that he should at least beaware of the adaptions to treadmills etc. While the ideal would be to place templates on all of the equipment in the particular suite, the cost of this small effort at reasonable accommodation was highlighted to me. Naturally, I advised that the Gym purchase bumper dots to overcome my difficulty but myadvice was ignored. Would you believe that people are picking off theraised arrows on my particular template so you can just imagine what wouldhappen with bumper dots.Don't worry, i have my own supply of chewing gum to stick on the treadmillif the occasion arises Keep up the good work on advocating for universal design and some day we will all have nothing to moan about...don't you agree? Martin K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?Hi Martin,I have struggled for years to get my gym to provide a template but withoutsuccess. The problem with a fixed template is that you are forced to useonly one particular machine. Why not ask for a template to be put on everyscreen. If you are right and nobody notices the adaptation then it shouldn'tinterfere with anyone's use of any machine which has your template on it.I have such a machine at home. This has a flexible plastic cover on it andIfound that I could rub my finger around and feel the button underneath thecover on a good day. Other days I could not find the buttons. Finally, I got my 10 year old to glue tiny points of superglue on the plastic cover,carefully placed over the centre of the buttons. Now I have free and easyaccess to all the controls! This could also be done in the gym don't you think? Tiny spots like this leave the visual appearance unchanged and leave the surface easy to clean. All the best, Cearbhall "Good design enables - Bad design disables" Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin kelly Sent: 28 July 2007 10:46 To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons? Hi Tim! As I'm just home after the hols. you have probably sorted out yourdifficulties around using your ultra modern treadmill but I'll tell you mystory as it may help other folk in the same position...My Gym went up-market and replaced all the older but very tangible screenswith the latest versions of these machines. However, after requesting that one of the treadmills be made accessible to VIPs, I eventually needed to suggest that the Equality Authority would be interested in this type of localised discrimination. I had made enquiries (and seen) various templates which have been designed to address this very problem and I informed the "powers that be" their existence. To make a long story shorter, I can now work away on my own with the aid ofthe template, the only problem is that other folk don't even realise that the machine has been adapted and hop on board although several others arelying idle. So! i occasionally need to ask folk to move over but in a "nice way" so that everyone can get the best from their membership fees. You've excuse now Tim, so stay up with the pace? Martin K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Harper" <goat@xxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: What's so wrong with buttons?Hi tim I fully sympathise, but I suspect the reason is that with everythingcovered by smooth plastic there is less to get gunged up and go wrong andits probably easier to give a touch screen a wipe down. But I doubt manyof the things which have touch screens will survive long enough for thatto be really significant. Ed -----Original Message----- From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tim Culhane Sent: 11 July 2007 09:37 To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [vicsireland] What's so wrong with buttons? Hi, *** warning this is a major rant, so if you're not in the mood then delete this now *** I was told in the gym I go to last week that they were getting new threadmills this week. Sure enough, when I arrived in last night, there they were. I had made a private bet with myself that these new machines would be the type that use touch sensitive controls, rather than good old fashioned buttons. And guess what, I've had to pay out to myself! The control pannel on the machines is a featureless mass of smooth plastic. Even if your fingers had the sensitivity of an exposed root canal treatment, I doubt they would be able to detect the buttons on the machine. I just can't understand what designers of these devices have againstbuttons. Ironically the only button on the machine is the stop button, which is a huge plastic affair which you could probably press with yourelbow, let alone your finger. It seems that more and more these days buttons are just not the in thing.For example, Apple's new IPhone has a touch sensitive screen rather thanthe traditional phone keypad. The machines which were slated for use in electronic voting had touch sensitive controls and now even the damnthreadmills can survive without a button in sight .... Or even touch.Where will it all end? Even now somewhere I bet they are designing shirts which have coloured dots on the material which you line up in order to "button" up your shirt. The fire alarms will have a helpful notice besidethem saying brake glass and move your finger gently over the green circle below. I'll be there, flames licking around my legs, trying to find thegreen circle. Oh for the days of nice clearly discernable buttons. The nice big squareplastic ones, or those funny shaped squishy rubber ones. I even had a remote control once where the buttons were actually in the shape of theprint numerals! Its not even that the threadmill control pannel is particularly small or the display screen needs to be particularly big. I reckon you could fita decent size piano keyboard on to the control pannel. So I have to assume that the only reason these machines are designed in this way is to make them look "fancy". Just another example of design for nobody except those with a pathelogical hatred of buttons. Anyway, I'll finish up now, but if I ever meet one of these anti buttondesigners, I'll personally burn their eyes out with a red hot poker andthen make them use there "fancy" new machines. Tim ------------------------- Tim Culhane, Critical Path Ireland, 42-47 Lower Mount Street, Dublin 2. Direct line: 353-1-2415107 phone: 353-1-2415000 Tim.culhane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.criticalpath.net Critical Path a global leader in digital communications ------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 10/07/2007 17:44 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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