Martin This has more to do with Symbian and Nokia. Both makers have to get their software approved by one of the two companies. Then they also have to get approval to even create the software to test with. So their is much much more oversight to produce a package for the 3rd edition symbian based phones. Also you have to keep in mind all the other software vendors who are trying to get their software produced as well. That is why no one can give you a date or even a estamated date. On the old 2nd and 1st edition phones; Anyone could create a package and put it out on the market. This is no longer the case for the 3rd edition phones. Their is more security and oversight that is being done. After all; You want a secure phone that is harder for people to write viruses for and trick you into installing them don't you? To do that; It takes much longer for any vendor to produce a package. Overall; I think you will find the Symbian based phones have less viruses then the window based phones. What a vendor use to be able to do in 2 weeks; May now take 6 months or more do to all the other approval and security they have to go through. Most of that time is probably waiting to here back from either Symbian or Nokia. Then you have all the phones that have to be tested that have came on the market within 6 months or so. Right about 13 to 15 different phones. Each phone has it's own screen display's and different layouts along with different interfaces. Example: The E70 has a telephone keypad on the outside when closed and a keyboard when the keypad is flipped opened. Then the screen display rotates 90 degrees when the keyboard is open. On the N73 the screen only rotates when the camera is being used. Then you get into the E61/E62 that do not have a telephone keypad at all and only have a keyboard below the screen. Then you get into the N80/N91 that are slider phones. Then you have the N71/N93 that are flip phones only. And that is only some of the differences. So as you can see their is a lot to test for and a lot to code for. Signed: Stephen Giggar sgiggar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: dr-phone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" < martmaid@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Talks Mailing List" < talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [Talks] new talks release? Hi I don't understand why Talks or Mobile Speak cannot give us at least some information. I mean at the end of the day we are the ones buying their products. To me this is very poor service. If another manufacture suddenly produced a working product Talks and Mobile Speak would lose all their customers. Customer service and satisfaction is the key. Neither of these companies are providing that! Cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Giggar" < sgiggar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Talks Mailing List" < talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] new talks release? > chaman > > No their has been no date given out of when to expect the new release for > the 3rd edition phones. > For now; It is anyones guess. > > Signed: Stephen Giggar > sgiggar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Skype: dr-phone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chaman" < chaman_grover@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Talks Mailing List" < talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:14 AM > Subject: [Talks] new talks release? > > > hello list, > > has there been any news to when the new version of talks is going to be > out? i am asking because > someone on the list said earlier that it wont be released untill march. > but i can get a good deel on > the nokia n80 now and i don't want to by the phone annd have the contract > waste for a few months. > > hhanks. > Chaman > > > Email: > chaman_grover@xxxxxxxxxxx > website: > http://gamesfortheblind.port5.com > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks