Hi, Jim, Are you saying that all public bodies should forthwith stop using MS WORD, MS Excel and MS PowerPoint as well? How bout Outlook? On that logic, should we insist that nobody uses Gnome as it only runs on Lynux? I don't think so ... I must say that I would rather have seen the library using the DAISY format, but I do not think that there are any free DAISY readers that allow the kind of copyright protection that might be required to allow books be shared digitally. Also, the fact that DAISY is a proprietory product is causing some resistance to its use by the Open Source community. Now that I have raised these queries, I won't be around for a while to hear the replies. I am going into hospital and won't get to read my emails for a few days after tonight. Take care, Gerry Ellis t/a Feel The BenefIT Tel +353-(0)1 282-7791 Mob +353-(0)85 716-8665 Email gerry.ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx If you don't know where you're going, How will you know when you get there? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Dunleavy To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Audio books from South Dublin Libraries Hi Robbie, The service is discriminatory on the following grounds: The use of OverDrive Media Console discriminates against those who don't use the Windows platform. The use of DRM discriminates against those who don't have media players which support the right kind of DRM. There's also the question of using tax-payers' money to promote an agenda which is not vendor-neutral, i.e. the requirement of Windows and the use of the WMA codec. This is as if the government chose only to accept bids from Paddy the Plasterer for the construction of public utilities. The interoperability problems and uncontrollability of DRM by the libraries make the service totally unsustainable. --Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandberg, Robert To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Audio books from South Dublin Libraries Hi Jim! Could you elaborate on what triggered this response? They actually made these digital audio books available in response to a blind client who asked them how he could access their books. Cheers, Robbie Sandberg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy Sent: 04 December 2007 16:12 To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Audio books from South Dublin Libraries Thanks for nothing, South Dublin Library! Is it appropriate to use tax-payers money for such a discriminatory service? --J ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandberg, Robert To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: [vicsireland] Audio books from South Dublin Libraries Hi folks! I've downloaded several books from the South Dublin Libraries website since it was introduced at the VICS Open Day. They have a good assortment of audio books and, importantly, many new releases. The process of downloading books is quite simple, once the OverDrive Media Console has been downloaded and installed. This software is necessary to manage the downloaded books. It looks a bit like the Windows explorer. In the tree view you can select a title for instance and when you tab down to the list view you will find the actual audio files. The software uses Windows Media player to play the files and it requires you to install a security update for the media player, without which you won't be able to play them. This is done automatically after the OverDrive Media Console is installed. You just need to confirm that you want this to happen. It's possible to play the files in Winamp, but only on the same computer, due to the copy right protection. And here we come to a wee crux. You can't copy the audio files to another device using the Windows Explorer. That is, you can, but they won't play. You need to do it in the OverDrive Media Console using ctrl.t for Transfer. The software then searches for portable media players plugged into the computer. Only it doesn't recognise Rockbox as a media player. I reckon this is because Rockbox replaces the original firmwhere and consequently the device is not identified as a portable media player by the OverDrive Media Console. For Rockbox users this means you can't listen on the move. Apart from this little set-back I'm quite happy with the program and the download process. The OverDrive Media Console is accessible and has easy to remember key strokes for play and pause, transfer and burn ETC. Once it is installed you just click on "Listen, Read, Digital Books" and use the categories on the website to locate a book you want and click on "Add to my basket". You can then either click on "proceed to check-out" or on "Continue browsing". If you proceed to check-out the books are listed in individual tables with a button for download underneath each book. When clicking on "Download" you first need to confirm the target folder. Then the OverDrive Media Console opens and you need to select which parts of the book you want to download. The parts are simply the individual audio files. You can tab down to the "Check All" button and press enter, then tab further to OK. Note that if you have checked out a book, it appears in the "My Loans" section and the 3 weeks count-down begins, even if you haven't yet downloaded it. You can find detailed installation instructions for the OverDrive Media Console at the following URL. www.overdrive.com/software/omc/download.asp The URL for the library website is: www.SouthDublinLibraries.ie For those of you from the outer regions who weren't at the Open Day, you don't have to be from Dublin to join. You just need to obtain a library membership number and a PIN. The trouble is I couldn't find an email address for either of the 2 ladies who attended the Open Day. Can the committee help there? Cheers, Robbie Sandberg -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 12233 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len