wow rox, what a good question. Maybe you could try teaching association with the particular car or vehicle you are entering, maybe a treat or special treat for that vehicle and have someone help you and tell you when the vehicle is there, have the dog stand, maybe you can train this well so they only stand for cars or vehicles you are going to use. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Pawpower Pack To: bviclickertraining@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; gdsdtrainingonly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: (VICT) too well trained? AKA. what have I done? I am Deafblind and for years I have relied on my dogs to alert me to buses, taxis, friends' cars etc. My dog would do this by standing when she saw the car in question and sort of shaking her butt so that the harness handle hit my leg. They have *ALL* done this. I haven't "trained" it but the dogs learn to anticipate getting in the car and the behavior just sort of chains itself together. Laveau seems to be the exception to this rule, of course. We'll be waiting for a cab/bus/friend and I'll put her in a down/ stay. When the car pulls up, all of my other dogs would stand and smack my leg with the harness. Laveau just lays there and waits for me to tell her what to do. I can't tell her what to do though because I don't know that the car is there. How can I get her to stand up when she sees a familiar vehicle? My other dogs only alerted for specific cars or buses and they each probably know over 15 different vehicles. I'm totally at a loss here. I can do training set ups but I'm just sort of stumped as to how to get her to alert. Ideas, anyone? Rox and the Kitchen Bitches Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC. Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. pawpower4me@xxxxxxxxx MSN: Brisomania@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: Brissysgirl Yahoo: lillebriss