I know when I used to be a singer, there were many evenings I didn't feel like going to work. Then I would get dressed up, put on the makeup, enter the restaurant and sing and smile until one or two in the morning. And you know what! I always felt better coming out than going in. Wag the tail and the dog may be transported to a better state. I think this is fascinating, particularly the aspects that have to do with control. So you smile, wag, whatever and point yourself down positive lane. What does it mean or would it mean for a dog to learn to tuck its tail very consciously, focusing its efforts on the action and possibly thereby divorcing itself from traditional behaviors associated with tucking the tail? I don't pretend to be able to know what this can or does mean. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Diane & Raven Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:23 PM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) teaching emotional response...was: Task ideas- Feedback? Ann wrote: >>By the way, even though this topic may be a bit theoretical, I think it has important implications for our practical, day-to-day work with our animals. For example, with a good intuitive grasp of these concepts, Sheila can teach Gretch to be more confident in challenging street crossings and more enthusiastic about guide work in general, and we can all teach our dogs to assume body postures and behaviors which can make them less vulnerable to loose dog attacks or to human petting assaults. (Hmmm, those last two examples--of the loose dog attacks and unwanted human attentions--show that we can not only use cued behaviors to affect the emotional state of the trained animal, but also to affect the emotional state and behavior of other beings.)<< Most certainly this is true. Karen Pryor has a section on "Tag Teach" where the principals we speak of in teaching our dogs are used for athletes, learning disabilities and so much more. Many of the most influential people we know master principals such as these to effect action, change perceptions, influence behavior. I think we all in some way use these principals in our daily lives. Some use the more positive side of the 4 quadrants and some use the other side of the quadrant. Operant conditioning .... We want to encourage our children to continue to do well we may praise them, reward them for studying, getting good grades, cleaning their room. Our husband may dog the wash, or bring us something special or vacuum and we make a point of saying what a wonderful job he did or how special he was for doing it,...and so much more...for all genders and relationships this evokes good feelings and encourages the person to repeat the behavior (mark and reward). or some use more of a coercion part of the principals ...focus on correcting unwanted behavior by focusing on it. setting corrections for not studying, scold a person for not vacuuming.... they will repeat the behavior to avoid the coercion and bad feeling they get. I am not as eloquent in expressing what I know is true right now.... You stated so well in your post so instead of rambling through my pain med fog any longer I will end this by saying I know what you wrote so well is true in that we can effect emotion and teach behaviors that evoke and encourage emotional response. I just think that a momentary tail tuck would have a lasting effect. ....Hmmmm again I find the question intriguing. Best Wishes & Wags, Diane & Raven APDT#72225 http://AssistanceDogJournal.net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Golden_Paw_ADC/ "My Assistance Dog is not my whole life, but she makes my life whole" ~D.L.Shotwell "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France All posts are considered copyrighted by the author. You must get permission from the poster before forwarding.